THE OTHER DAY Pat Zalewski published a video on YouTube in which he refutes my points in an article that I wrote on this blog, which he refers to as “that self-appointed bastion of egoic Golden Dawn truth”. The article in question, which Mr. Zalewski calls “a hatchet job”, that I wrote in mid 2008, is entitled The truth about Pat Zalewski and the Whare Ra. Before reading any further, I recommend my gentle reader to make a quick read through this article, as I don’t want to repeat myself to much, keeping this blog post short and down to the point. Following this I recommed a viewing of the video by Mr. Zalewski, which is quite short, being only 18:16 minutes long. Unfortunately, for some reason, the direct link to YouTube is missing, but it can be reached via Nick Farrell’s blog which has a link to the video.
Now compare what I wrote in my original article with that which Mr. Zalewski is addressing in his refutation to it, in particular his accusations towards me, which boils down to that (a) I (contrary to him) lack any primary sources in my estimation and analysis, only being reliant on secondary sources, and that (b) I am presenting a belief that the Whare Ra had a single policy and teaching, which shows my “complete ignorance” and a “considerable amount of lack of research”. However, what you, my gentle reader, will see in my presentation is a series of accurate quotes of statements
made by Mr. Zalewski himself and those of Tony Fuller (both constituting equal secondary sources), and me quite disoriented trying the very best to make sense of it
all.
I still vividly remember that my writing of this article was prompted by a honest chock reaction in response to the revelations coming from that debate, as I had grown accustomed to the idea or ideal that Mr. Zalewski had presented a truthful account of official Whare Ra ritual protocol. Mr. Zalewski’s and Mr. Fuller’s accounts and statements was a virutal eye opener for me and has shaped my view on the Whare Ra and Stella Matutina since then, not to mention concerning Mr. Zalewski’s actual relation to it. This was the only agenda that I had in writing it. But obviously, it has enangered Mr. Zalewski quite a lot and shaped his attitude towards me, which is quite venomous. But that’s o.k. and the feeling is not mutual; I still respect the man and his teachings.
Now, Mr. Zalewski accuses me of claiming that there was a offical teaching on ritual in
the Whare Ra. Actually, no; I didn’t say that really. What I did said however is that in
reading Mr. Zalewski’s original editions of the Z-5 (the Llewellyn editions from
the early 1990’s) I got the impression that there in fact was a official Whare
Ra doctrine, and that Mr. Zalewski had represented it faithfully, having received it through authenitc oral esoteric transmission. So in reality, I was lead by Mr. Zalewski himself into believing that there had existed a Whare Ra orthodoxy. When he came
out honest about the actual volatility of these teachings, and the amount of his own creative
input back in 2008, as I said, I was quite surprised and startled.
I don’t actually need primary sources, other than his own books,
to judge how Mr. Zalewski tried to present these supposed Whare Ra teachings back then; it suffices
reading them. My article was not a historical survey per se, although it surely presented a historical context to his writing; however it wasn’t the
actual and historical Whare Ra that was under question, it was Mr. Zalewski and
his presentation of it. In the 1990’s all that we had was his own accounts
of the Whare Ra teachings and its history; now we have other sources as well, such
as Tony Fuller’s, which I presented in full in my article.
The
claim by Mr. Zalewski in his video, that there were no official Whare Ra
teachings, are no news, actually. If you have read my article, you will find a lengthy
quote from Mr. Fuller which fully corroborates this notion. My point is
that Mr. Zaleski never claimed or explained this factual situation concerning
Whare Ra teachings back in the 1990’s. It is only now, following this
debate between him and Mr. Fuller (and which I made public in my article), that Mr. Zalewski confesses this himself, reluctantly it seems.
Actually, as you my gentle reader will see, my main thesis,
based on Mr. Fuller’s account which is then corroborated by Mr. Zalewski in his
confessions, both in my article and in the video, is that there was no official teachings of the Whare Ra concerning group ritual. In the video, Mr. Zalewski tries to lecture me that I had
failed to see this as a fact. How strange that is, considering the contents of my article. I suspect that it has been my article and Mr. Fuller’s rhetoric presented there, that has prompted Mr. Zalewski to change his policy regarding how to address the non-conformity of Whare Ra teachings.
How strange it is that he refers to my article as “a hatchet job”, considering the fact that he has become some sorts of a self-proclaimed Harry Houdini or James Randi of the Golden Dawn Community, doing much effort and going into great pains in debunking other Orders lineages, in particular the one transmitted by Desmond Bourke. Like Houdini and Randi nurtures a hatred towards psychics and occultists, Mr. Zalewski abhores lineages and hates Secret Chiefs, that is any lineages or authorities which are not his own and outside the pale of the Order of the Table Round.
How strange it is that he refers to my article as “a hatchet job”, considering the fact that he has become some sorts of a self-proclaimed Harry Houdini or James Randi of the Golden Dawn Community, doing much effort and going into great pains in debunking other Orders lineages, in particular the one transmitted by Desmond Bourke. Like Houdini and Randi nurtures a hatred towards psychics and occultists, Mr. Zalewski abhores lineages and hates Secret Chiefs, that is any lineages or authorities which are not his own and outside the pale of the Order of the Table Round.
How strange it is also, that it has taken almost six years for him to address my article, exactly at a point when I and my new Temple in the Outer, following this Vernal Equinox, is about to manifest a Nova Aurora Nascente in Hyperborea! Following my official resignation from the H.O.G.D./A+O at Winter Solstice, Mr. Zalewski has also attacked my lineages over at the Watcher of the Dawn blog, on two occasions thus far, which he brefly hints at in the video. All of this is surely not happening by chance, and it is obvious that this new manifestation is making some individuals of the communtiy quite nervous. Stay tuned to this blog to read our upcoming Declamatio Fraternitatis!
A final observation
I guess, becoming or being a “Golden Dawn leader” makes you an open target from all camps, including the spiritual family that you have once abandoned. I suppose it comes with the territory. But my suggestion to all of you Golden Dawn leaders who feel threatened by my recent actions, or have an ax to grind with me because of past dealings, is very simple: Just stay away from my path and leave me alone. I have no interest in you or your work; we have so little in common that there is no need to feel competition from my side, as we are not even reaching out to the same people with our respecive operations. My ideal candidate is not that of yours. So, let us simply ignore each other and continue with our respective visions of the Great Work. I believe that I have said enough concerning my views regarding that of the general Golden Dawn Community; I have no need to repeat myself. I especially have no ambition to name call anyone or assassinate anyone’s character. However, if you make a direct stab at me, do not expect that I won’t try to parry your attempt at attacking me. Let’s spare our readers that tragedy; we have had enough of that already and nobody really needs it....seriously.A last minute confession
Some of my gentle readers may not take my account seriously concering that I was shocked and startled by the truthful accounts given by Pat Zalewski and Tony Fuller concering the Whare Ra and their dealings with it. Believe it or not, but it actually is my honest account of what did happen six years ago. Back then I hadn’t yet been wrapped up in the paranoid worldview of Golden Dawn leaders, of both my own former Order and that of others. So I did compile and write that article of my own initiative, without any coersion of any kind. Over the years following that, being somewhat hatched out, through that initial experience, into the harsh reality of Golden Dawn War of the Roses, things changed as I gradually adapted my former Chiefs martial paradigm. Paranoia has a way of rubbing off; it is highly contagious. Thus, I later became an ardent “defender of the rose”.
My final hatching and initiation into this severe existence was the profanation of the A∴O∴ material and the character assassination of its founder; I now was under the spell of my former chief, who took advantage of and fueled my anger. I clearly was leaning to much towards the Black Pillar of Severity during that phase of my life; it may have had something to do with my Adeptus Major process as well. The final one and a half years has been a constant struggle to break that mesmerising spell and reach for the White Pillar of Mercy. That process is still continuing to this very day. Six years ago I still was a spiritual virgin, lacking any experience of the greater Golden Dawn Community; I am not a Virgo any more as I have learned my lessons the hard way. My blog represents a documentation of this process, which corresponds to the three Grades of the Second Order.
Now, I am not blaming anyone of these leaders; the greatest responsibility is and has always been my own; I always had a choice and no one forced me into anything. On the contrary, having a natural tendency towards severity, I have been quite proficient in developing my own rhetoric and chritical analysis of the Golden Dawn Community, something that I still benefit from today. As an outcome of all of this, I have consciously adapted a Traditionalist outlook on the Mysteries. So it has been a learning experience which I don’t regret. But some paranoid voices can be very convincing, indeed. And we must remember that today we are living in the Kali Yuga age of the Golden Dawn, in which the counter-traditional and counter-initiatic powers are paramount. This is the main reason why I have choosen to retreat back to my native Hyperborea and focus on what’s truly important, to protect and preserver the Tradition and to pass it on to worthy seekers of the Nascent Aurora.
My final hatching and initiation into this severe existence was the profanation of the A∴O∴ material and the character assassination of its founder; I now was under the spell of my former chief, who took advantage of and fueled my anger. I clearly was leaning to much towards the Black Pillar of Severity during that phase of my life; it may have had something to do with my Adeptus Major process as well. The final one and a half years has been a constant struggle to break that mesmerising spell and reach for the White Pillar of Mercy. That process is still continuing to this very day. Six years ago I still was a spiritual virgin, lacking any experience of the greater Golden Dawn Community; I am not a Virgo any more as I have learned my lessons the hard way. My blog represents a documentation of this process, which corresponds to the three Grades of the Second Order.
Now, I am not blaming anyone of these leaders; the greatest responsibility is and has always been my own; I always had a choice and no one forced me into anything. On the contrary, having a natural tendency towards severity, I have been quite proficient in developing my own rhetoric and chritical analysis of the Golden Dawn Community, something that I still benefit from today. As an outcome of all of this, I have consciously adapted a Traditionalist outlook on the Mysteries. So it has been a learning experience which I don’t regret. But some paranoid voices can be very convincing, indeed. And we must remember that today we are living in the Kali Yuga age of the Golden Dawn, in which the counter-traditional and counter-initiatic powers are paramount. This is the main reason why I have choosen to retreat back to my native Hyperborea and focus on what’s truly important, to protect and preserver the Tradition and to pass it on to worthy seekers of the Nascent Aurora.
S∴R∴
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This is all irrelevant to you and your work. Even wasting your time and breath on this is a waste of your time and breath.
Reading Zalewski, it has been obvious from the start that everytime he wrote something along the lines of "and then Taylor said" or "and Mrs Felkin did/said" he was trying to appeal to a "higher authority" himself. Such as you would be if everything you said would be backed up with "and I was taught by David Griffin that" or if realising something interesting and cool in any discussion you'd have to back it up by someone who is now dead having said it, and since they were an authority it will be accepted.
Now, this whole blog thing has gone on for too long, and you still react. Just let them think whatever they want, what is it to you? You don't want a distance member from New Zeeland and any swedish seeker in your region will hopefully be less sheepish than most people. The states have their esoteric community culture, France has its own, The Netherlands, the UK, hell even Slovenia. So just leave it.
Let them keep meeting the banner of the west. But you need to stop holding it up. Anyone only has power over you as long as they have something you want.
You don't want their respect, you don't want their "secrets" and you don't want their fairly bad academic standard research. You deffinitively don't want people in your Temple that listen to them and cannot think for themselves.
Zalewski is obviously ashamed that he has been caught out.
You cannot expect understanding until everyone of these people who are the cause of these back and forth issues just stop fucking around with everyone else and start focusing on their own shit.
These leaders of orders are afraid that the truth will come out. Some of them are alcoholics. Some are ex strippers. Some were con artists- the blackness must be accepted.
So what if Zalewski made it all up and now is upset? It was great stuff. So what if Farrel has issues with Mathers? So what if Griffin does x.
It doesn't matter. You do work that transforms people, esoterically and for a living. Thats what matters, The truth is in the pudding and this is beginning to be beneath you all.
If someone actually cares they will go and see what you actually wrote. If they are too lazy to google and read, maybe it doesn't matter anyway. it takes some level of Cognitive capability to do the Great Work after all.
No offense meant to anyone here or there or anywhere, I am not spotless either.
Ave SR
What Pat Zalewski says about the Whare Ra and its diversity of methods and teachings is correct.
I knew Frank Salt very well having had regular weekend lessons with him over a long period of time. Once during these regular visits, Frank introduced me to another Whare Ra adept who was also residing at the Mt Roskill Masonic Village. The introduction though only lasting for nearly an hour, did reflect to me the diversity of teachings at Whare Ra.
Additionally having seen some of Jack Taylor's papers and from my email communications with Tony Fuller, I can safely say that the Whare Ra contained a variety of views and techniques.
Though Nick F and Pat Z seem to negate my relationship with Frank Salt, due to an erroneous posting by Tony F on Pat Z's blog 'that he (Tony) believed i only meet Frank once' made many years ago and which he (Tony) has since apologised for privately to me and withdrawn his comments (but not publically !) the fact is I knew two Whare Ra adepts.
With the above qualifications I will state that Pat Z is correct
about what he is saying re Whare Ra in his video uploaded by Nick.
Lenny
Dear Fra. Argent,
Thank you for you wise counsel and support. And yes, you are right. It is a waste of time and breath. But I'm still only a human.
In Light, Leben und Lieben,
S:.R:.
Dear Jean,
Yes, but that's exacly my point, and was in my original article; that there was no unified teachings in the Whare Ra. And I dare to say that before that debate on a particular yahoo-forum, which I made public in my article "The Truth about Pat Zalewski...", wery few were aware of that, including me. When I was informed about this by Tony Fuller, later corroborated by Pat Zalewski, I took it upon me to make it public to the general Golden Dawn Community. If that is considered to be an attack, to unearth the truth, in my book, the target is the FALSE or ERRONEOUS CONCEPT not the person who expressed it originally.
In Licht, Leben und Lieben,
S:.R:.
SR do you see that there quite a a lot of difference between "there was no unified teachings in the Whare Ra" (eoq)
and
at the 'Whare Ra' the adepts had a wide diversity of teachings, beliefs and magical techniques.
I believe it is wrong to say that there were no unified teachings at Whare Ra. Obviously Felkin's teachings were important as were the core Golden Dawn materials.
However this does not exclude a variety of outlooks and methods used by its Adepts.
Cheers
Lenny
BTW please contact me privately.
Argent provides sound advice indeed.
Jean, the second person you met at the Mt Roskill Masonic Village was not another member from Whare Ra, but one of Frank's students.
For the record I would also like to state that you often over exaggerate your relationship with Frank Salt, whom I knew very well for about 8 years. During this time he kept me informed of your contact, and even asked for my advice. As you well know, Frank finally gave up and cut you loose without any initiations. What few papers he gave you, were papers he wrote himself for prospective students. I understand that later Tony F provided you with a few of Frank's other papers.
The Outer O. at Whare Ra had relatively consistent teaching, a standard curriculum, and up until about 1970 all Outer O. students reported to Frank Salt, as the Demonstrator (Praemonstrator using GD parlance) - he was appointed to this Office in 1959.
Sometime around 1970 it got a bit chaotic, with the Chiefs assuming the roles of the Wardens. In the Inner O., whilst there was a set curriculum, members were encourage to find their own way, and were directed to certain senior members if they had a particular inclination e.g. Ewen Campbell for Enochian etc. In essence they were expected to think for themselves, and to use the duel tools of intuition and silence to pierce the veil of the True Mysteries. The apparent divergence we see between the few senior members whose papers made it into the public domain posthumously reflect this approach, or probably more accurately, reflects the view of their post Whare Ra students, most of whom had very little actual training other than having a few chats and receiving a bunch of papers.
S.R., I have been working for nearly 30 years in relative silence. I think you are worth the effort to break this silence on this occasion, and I sincerely suggest you take Argents advice, and follow my lead and slip into obscurity.
Kasmillos.
Lenny,
I undestand the difference that you have pointed out. But the question remains is what Pat says about it in the video. Let me quote him:
"The assumption is that Whare Ra had one system, one thought, they all acted within certain boundaries, and that the way it was. Well that was far from the truth. Everybody had their own ideas. There was core principles of course, which was the rituals and some general views on things, but also they had their own viewpoints and did their own study. Whare Ra encouraged the visional people to go at, and go on different branches of things."
"So to try to put it as a single way of... Whare Ra having this one way of doing it, it shows complete ignorance on what going on, and shows considerable amount of lack of research..."
It seems that we have interpreted him a bit differently. Perhaps we are only splitting hairs.
However, let me rephrase my main thesis: "The Whare Ra didn't have one unified view on Golden Dawn ritual".
In Licht, Leben und Lieben,
S:.R:.
Dear Kasmillos,
Thank you for braking your silence for my sake and pointing out the pre and post 1970 Whare Ra, and the tight leash that Frank Salt held the Outer Order members.
I have always had a great respect for Frank Salt, as the true representative of the Whare Ra lineage and esoteric teachings. It seems as the Whare Ra degenerated post 1970's with the introduction of Wardens.
To me it also seems as the teachings that was represented in the O.T.R. reflects post 1970 Where Ra more than anything els, or am I mistaken?
In Licht, Leben und Lieben,
S:.R:.
Dear S.R.,
I cannot comment on the O.T.R. with any authority, as I am not, nor have I been a member, although I do know one of their senior members, and another junior member. If there was ever any "Whare Ra" teachings being used in the O.T.R. after Whare Ra closed in 1978, I am told they have long since been forgotten. It is quite a different Order by all accounts.
"Warden" was the term used at Whare Ra to describe one of the Temple Chiefs i.e. Demonstrator, Imperator and Cancellarius, as different from the G.H. Chiefs of the Order. The Wardens were disestablished by the G.H. Chiefs, who then took over the mantles of the Demonstrator, Imperator and Cancellarius i.e. they became one and the same. The use of Wardens had been in place from the very early days of Whare Ra, so this was a significant change.
I think that things started to change for the worse before 1970, sometime after the end of the Felkin era following the death of Ms Felkin. The "new" G.H. Chiefs started making changes to how the Order operated, and this did not go down well with the more traditional members. Archie Shaw, who was appointed as a G.H. Chief on the death of Mrs Felkin, in fact resigned a few years later due to holding a different view to the other two "new" G.H. Chiefs. Archie Shaw had been Demonstrator for many years before being appointed as a G.H. Chief, and was held in very high regard by Frank Salt and other senior members. His departure was a quite a blow.
I really have had to bite my tongue on many occasions so that I could maintain my silence – much to the dissatisfaction of my ego. There has been a lot of inflation, fabrication, and in some instances out right deception, by people trying to bolster their links to Whare Ra. Given the strict secrecy maintained by virtually every member of the Order, I can only imagine they will be turning in their graves with the “modern” state of affairs and take on the O. – “Ye shall know them by their fruits”.
I am sometimes conflicted with the desire to counter falsities that I hear and read regarding Whare Ra, just as you seem to be, when you speak up and defend yourself. Then wisdom mostly settles in and I realise that in the great scheme of things the false things people say and write are of little real consequence – those who are meant to find the light will do so, and they will not be fooled or distracted, so I just settle in and focus on my Work, which is to help those around me who have ears to listen.
Ritual, Meditation and Silence are the keys, and Intuition is the door.
Kasmillos
@Kasmillos.
Anonymous troll, I know you are lying and this how I know.
The second person I meet was indeed an adept of the Whare Ra.
I know this because he was an old
man who lived at the Mt Roskill village and whom Frank introduced
as a person he had worked with at Whare Ra.
The only other students I briefly
meet were those attending the initiation ceremonies at our residence which I myself did not attend.
I doubt very much that you knew
Frank Salt very well for about 8 years. Because if you did you would know that would never speak about other students. That was not his way. So you are lying behind your sock-poppet trying to
make up a believable story to discredit me.
However your fabrication is based upon hearsay by others and neither the truth nor fact.
My relationship with Frank existed for a period of many years. Both as a personal weekend student and also as a friend whom remained in contact by letter when I lived on Waiheke Island.
Frank would have never asked anyone for advise about me, because there was no advise to be given. The only things that Frank expressed discontent regarding was my involvement in Wicca - whom he regarded as leaaning towards the Dark Mother and Aleister Crowley. There was one article I wrote called 'Isis Unveiled' whom he said to me that he didn't understand a word of it, it may as well having been in Chineese or something. Interestenly I sent a copy of the same article to Pat Zalewski and he liked it.
Frank never gave up on me nor cut me loose. That this more bullshit. Frank offered to me many times the Golden Dawn initiations. Then in the other breath he would stated that they were a waste of time because of my having read them (Regardie' publication) and thus what he saw as the virgin spiritual essence would not there, hence the initiations would not be worthwhile.
Frank never cut me loose, I moved to Waiheke Island. Whereas before I lived close by (walking distance) to him.
I did offer for Frank to live in Waiheke with us, as I had a spare room and a working group. But Frank declined.
Frank and I remained friends by mail for many years afterwards
and if I recall his last letter to me correctly, he expressed that we haven't seen each other for some time and that he would very much like to see me again.
Yes did give me some materials and these were not just for prospective student but also a few other things. Tony F gave me very few additional papers of Frank's. Most of the material Tony gave me was other Golden Dawn materials. Some of these I returned as he expressed he did not want these in the public domain.
Frank Salt was a man of the uttermost integrity and kindness. Whom if you knew him as half as well as you state, you would know that Frank would have never said the things that you claim.
My advise Kasmillos to you personally, is this: instead of being a cowardly sock-poppet cunt you should man up. Your so-called working in silence for 30 years is just an excuse to attack others from the dark. And a way to try and validate your non-existent persona.
Who ever you really are: Get rid of your jealously between Frank's and mine relationship and stop spreading shit. Because quite likely in all honesty (given your anonymous crap over the years) if I meet you in person I would very much like to smash your lying face in.
Lenny
Hi Sincerus Renatus
Thank you for quoting Pat Z
"The assumption is that Whare Ra had one system, one thought, they all acted within certain boundaries, and that the way it was. Well that was far from the truth. Everybody had their own ideas. There was core principles of course, which was the rituals and some general views on things, but also they had their own viewpoints and did their own study. Whare Ra encouraged the visional people to go at, and go on different branches of things."
"So to try to put it as a single way of... Whare Ra having this one way of doing it, it shows complete ignorance on what going on, and shows considerable amount of lack of research..."
eoq Pat Z
Yes perhaps we have interpreted that a bit differently :-)
And yes your rephrase my main thesis: "The Whare Ra didn't have one unified view on Golden Dawn ritual". is very good.
Re: so-called Kasmillos etc.
The other issue, you being moderator of your forum. Do not just acccept claims by anonymous trolls such as so-called Kasmillos to have been working in silence for 30 years but must come out and say things. That is very navive of you.
My advise unless you know such a person is actually a real person, then they are most likely not and the agenda is political. Truth does not hide behind masks and anonymous postings.
The Occult community in New Zealand is quite small and even smaller are those whom knew adepts of the Whare Ra. Neither I, nor Pat Zalewski, nor Tony Fuller, nor Nick Farrell hide behind secret dark places pretending to be voices of authority. We are all out in the open with our opinions on things and our own version of history as we each experienced it. You have seen on the net our faces, and publications. Some people have met us privately for discussion and magical work. We are real people. It doesn't matter whether we disagree, or even strongly disagree at times about things. The point is that open and honest dialogue is not done by those hidden away in dark places.
That is Light, open not hidden.
Lenny
Lenny,
Please. You know that I respect you and your work. But, on my blog, please hold your temper and keep your manners. You have the right to refute any claims concering your person that you find unjust, but this doesn't justify being rude in this way. It is beneath you. Simply give your counter arguments in a civil manner.
If you hate sock puppets so much, why do you make comments and pose serious questions on the "Watcher of the Dawn" blog? Watcher is the father of lies, and the real danger is that he mixes lies with truths.
Where did you get the false notion that "...Dr Robert Word was initiated by Marquis Nicholas Tereschenko" from? Wathers reply was even more ludicrous:
"Word gave the AO 7-4 to Griffin and Ruggiu over his kitchen table according to an eye witness who left the order."
Word, Tereschenko and Ruggiu were all initiatied in the same ceremony by Bourke and Leontas at Serapis Temple, London, in 1993.
This is in part corroborated by a letter to Pat Zalewski from Word, dated June 24, 1994 (a scanned copy is on Scribd):
"...in 1993 G. H. Frater B [Leontas] ceremonially conferred the Grade of 7=4 on me, with the intent of transmitting simultaneously the authorities of the four lineages cited above. The same lineages were transmitted at the same time to the Chiefs [Tereschenko & Ruggiu] of at third Temple [Ahathôor] located in another country [France]."
David was initiated by Ruggiu four years later. I still remember him returning back to Stockholm with a full suitcase filled with Slater AO documents in the summer of 1997.
Perhaps you should trust me more as a source than your ill adviced sources and sock-puppets as "Watcher".
In Licht, Leben und Liebe,
S:.R:.
@ S.R
The sock-poppet Kasmillos above is now using older postings made by Tony Fuller over the years about the history of the OTR and also the Whare Ra to try and validiate himself as someone of authority.
Even the writing style itself is similar to Tony F's, perhaps in an attempt at pretense to be Tony Fuller without actually stating it. Tony Fuller may be unreliable and disorganised from time to time. But Tony is no coward and would not ever hide behind a sock-poppet.
Trying information of Tony's and Pat's about Whare Ra and OTO history and repeating it on this forum is not a validiation of any sort. I felt it was important to say things as it is apparent to me the deception this person is trying to pull.
I repeat unless a person clearly identifies themselves as a known
person in terms of Whare Ra and its history as: Pat Z, Tony F, Nick F and I have done over the years. Then whatever is posted by anonymous persons, however how clever and how seemingly knowledgable - they are not to be trusted.
Dear Lenny,
Sorry to say, but now you are being naïve. Only because someone is identified as a person it doesn't mean that they can be trusted. Pat is a good example on this, who has changed his presentation over the years. Only when he was caught by Tony F. did he start to corroborate his story, as he has done in the video. Nick isn't to be trusted as well, as has been shown in his books about S.L. MacGregor Mathers. Both these ex O.T.R. members have clear political agendas.
You know my position from earlier blogs; no need for me to repeat it. But your last comment prompted med to remind you.
In Licht, Leben und Liebe,
S:.R:.
Hi SR
I will try to be more civil in future on your blog. There is a time however for rudeness and violence just as there is a time for courstey and compassion. Life is not so cut and dry as
always been nice. Though admittedly I do try my best to exercise good manners most of time. However unlike Saints if someone slaps me in the face, I reserve the right to turn around and slap them back twice as hard.
So not it is not beneath me. 99% of the time I may be compassionate but the other 1% is quite capable of murderous intend. Adepthood is knowing when
to draw the sword. Adepthood is not refusing to pick up the sword.
Re: Sock Poppets watchers of the Dawn. I understand what you are saying about that Website. I made that comment because nothing in its so called history mentioned
Tereschenko.
If Dr Robert Word was not initiated by Tereschenko, then the fault is mine. Robert and I discussed various initiations and other things many years ago and
I must have misunderstood what Robert told me. I seem to recollect Tereschenko being mentioned.
I understand your dislike of the Watchers of the Dawn website.
Strangely enough I see they are parroting Nick F view that the Whare Ra was not Golden Dawn. This of course is in contradiction to all Pat Z publications which are entitled 'Golden Dawn' etc.. so who is right Pat or Nick ?
>Word, Tereschenko and Ruggiu >were all initiatied in the same >ceremony by Bourke and Leontas >at Serapis Temple, London, in >1993.
Okay. Of course I trust you more than so-called 'Watcher' sock-poppets. You have always been open and honest to me. And I can see your face :-)
In Licht, Leben und Liebe,
Lenny
Dear S:.R:.
Touche'. Yes good point.
Still if needing to make a choice between are a sock-poppet's testimony and a real person I will tend to side wit the
real person.
Thank you for reminding me however of your valid point. :-)
You wrote:
Dear Lenny,
Sorry to say, but now you are being naïve. Only because someone is identified as a person it doesn't mean that they can be trusted. Pat is a good example on this, who has changed his presentation over the years. Only when he was caught by Tony F. did he start to corroborate his story, as he has done in the video. Nick isn't to be trusted as well, as has been shown in his books about S.L. MacGregor Mathers. Both these ex O.T.R. members have clear political agendas.
You know my position from earlier blogs; no need for me to repeat it. But your last comment prompted med to remind you.
In Licht, Leben und Liebe,
S:.R:.
Dear Lenny,
I undestand where you are coming from with the Severety balanced against Mercy or Compassion thing.
However, that depends on the level of Adeptship. In my own experience, being an Adeptus Major, one easily leans towards the Black Pillar and Geburah, as one has to experience the Dark (Severe or Evil) Side of Godhead.
As a Adeptus Exemptus, the reverse is tru; one has to experience in full Mercy and Compassion, to turn Wrath into Love. Regardless of level of Adepthood, Ego should never be the reason for becoming Severe and Wrathful; that is the first lesson and temptation of the Adeptus Minor. If you haven't let go of your Ego, you will never become a true Adeptus Major or worthy to wield that Magical Sword.
This is of course only my personal opinion, based on my own experience of failing the tests ;-)
In Licht, Leben und Lieben,
S:.R:.
Dear S.R.,
I think you can see that my intentions are honourable, and that I am no sock puppet of some GD personality. Only a few people know me for who I truly am – people I have met and whom I respect. I intend on keeping it this way, despite some people finding this irritating or even threatening. I regret many things, but I do not regret being sub rosa, and Lenny’s rather extreme threats bear witness to the wisdom of this strategy.
He, like many others, confuses Mars and the Path of Peh, the ever chattering and often barbed tongue, with Geburah, which is in fact the Palace of Peace. The arrow cannot rend the Path of Mars until the tongue has learnt to be silent.
I have said all that needs be said in this matter, and people will take it or leave it as they see fit.
I sincerely wish you well on your journey – I think you are heading in the right direction.
Farewell.
Kasmillos.
Re Silence
There are various types of Silence, but I will speak of two.
There is a silence that is mistaken for the mystical silence. It is a silence of darkness, working quietly and sub-rosa. It is a silence of cowardice and ultimately leads to death.
Then there is the mystic silence, it is contemplative, still and can hear God. This type of silence leads to light and life.
Those of us whom have entered the Mystic silence, which is through meditation and not working in secret hear and experience from our inner stillness that God is NOT silence. God and life, like life is full of laughter, joy, play
and is a great musical dance of light being expressive of the Godhead.
The sub-rosa of the way is the inner alchemical work. It has nothing to do with working in secret. For the secret thing is actually within you.
It is ghosts and deceptive spirits and false ego, false philosophy and false teaching that speaks from the dark. This is not the way of God nor light nor life.
I cannot stress enough, that Light does not hide under a barrel. The most simple choice to make is your path one of secrets and darkness or one of Light.
Eloquently expressed Jean, but I still tend to agree with Kasmillos here. His is the TRADITIONAL interpretation of silence. We don't talk about them and we especially don't brag about them. The worthy candidate will find to the Temple anyway; that has always been the case.
I have always felt a ambivalence in my blogging since 2008. I felt that my voice was needed to correct some misconceptions, especially concerning the post-modern history of the Order to which I belonged and regarding the state of the Golden Dawn Commnity.
Contrary to you, I don't believe in the profanation of documents. I fully respect those who want to work sub rosa; I also respect those who want to hide their true identity behind pseudonymes. Not at all uncommon trait in traditional occult literature. Even Dion Fortune used one, to take a modern example.
And again, if you find anonymity to be a sign of cowardice, why to you insist on asking serious question to "Watcher of the Dawn" when you will only get unconfirmed rumours posing as facts, and lies mixed with truth (which is like mixing Nitro with Glycerine)? In my book "Watcher" hides behind anonymity as he fears being sued in court for his libels. He is a Troll, nothing more or nothing less.
Still I do pray for his soul that he will leave the path of Wrath and embrace the path of Compassion instead.
In Licht, Leben und Lieben,
S:.R:.
Dear SR
IMO this is a misunderstanding. The Hermetic silence is the silence within.
Consider SR that when we enter silence, it is a prayer, a meditation, personal contemplation and communion with God.
This is where from time to time we are Still and God speaks to us.
Not only is our tounge silence but also you mind.
These are periods between oneself and God. But they are not a way of life nor an excuse for living in a cave.
Obviously you can tell what side of the fence I personally am on. And that is Light. Light burns, light shine and is expressive. It does not sit in a cave and expect the candidate to chance darkness and assume that one will find it hidden in some deep dark place. No light is a beacon.
What use is light if it is hidden.
That is the doctrine of devils IMO.
Truely I say to you and the entire world, that the silence that many assume is sb-rosa leads only to the outer darkness where there is much woe.
Yes contrary to me, you don't believe in the profanation of documents. In terms of the Golden Dawn community, once again i choose the side of light. Which is open for all to see.
This SR is the example the Morning Star himself give us and also the example that God himself gives us with his symbol (the Sun) in our realm of existence.
If a soul is not ready, then the work will protect itself. Much the same way a dog cannot understand algebra and humanity is not ascended.
SR the state of the Golden Dawn Commnity is not protected by working sub-rosa. The Tower is not destroyed by babbling tounges on the Path of Peh, but by the forces of life by the command of God. It is indeed the Tower struck by Lightening (Light/Fire) and Wind (Air) and Hail (Water) - perhaps even the earth itself shakes. These things are much greater than any single voice or many voices adding to confusion.
That is where sub-rosa is, inwardly and beyond the chatting babel listening to the voice of God. True work sub-rosa is alchemcial within the adept. But the adept themselves works in community. Just as my Lord, the Morning Star himself did by his example in scripture.
Re the Watcher of the Dawn blog
i have made my opinion of these persons secret identify publically known on their own site. So I agree with you about your comments re the Troll and the cowardly hiding behind sight.
>In Licht, Leben und Lieben,
Yes by the above, let us follow their nature.
with fraternal love
Lenny
Well Lenny, I believe it is pointless to continue this debate so I choose to use silence instead, other than stating that in keeping our Sacred Mysteries unprofaned, this doesn't mean that we shouldn't work in the greater human community, but only by our own example and behaviour, not by speaking openly and preaching concerning these mysteries.
We should use our knowledge to heal the sick, and that Gratis; however only teaching the most worthy of our mysteries. Let us not cast pearls to the swine. There is both an inner and outer silence, and we should express both. Your dichotomy between the outer and inner Silence is IMHO ill advised.
In Licht, Leben und Lieben,
S:.R:.
I came across this by Frank Salt while editing, for placement within Book eCT III. I am posting here, so you can get some idea of the kind of man Frank was.
From his writings you will see that Frank was not the kind of man to gave up on anyone.
In future any anonymous claims to know Frank (at least as well as I) can tell me, what his hobby was (easy enough) and then with much more difficulty 'where was his secret hiding place!' The correct answer to the second question will get my attention and respect.
The answers to both questions I know.
- Leonard
To Frank ..quoteing ""Piercing through the Veil to illuminate Malkuth. This is in purely technical terms and rather brutal in expression. We need not try to reason the process into (the) happening - it just does.
But during the process responses occur in the personality calling for some responses from that area - ourselves. We begin to feel there is something beyond orthodoxy, that there is more to life than just toddling along with the herd from womb to the tomb.
There is more to life than just toddling along with the herb
from womb to the tomb.
The feeling may result in numerous ways, according to our personal conditioning. The actual sense of disquiet may be veiled in many ways from hyperactivity to depression.
The nearness of the soul may cause a change of interest in the opposite sex, the soul is 'having a merger' with the personality. Which may be reflected in, in-outer life as the same.
The soul appears to include those factors missing in personal life and seeking expression - including sexuality.
fuller degree of living is immanent, a balancing out of the personality. Things 'forbidden' in our personal philosophy begin to truce and may result in a guilt complex. A neurosis or just a release from the now-former inhibiting factors.
Troublous times may lay ahead, if our conditioning is severe, our living too 'black and white'. If Good and Evil figures much in ruling our lives.
The 'Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, good and evil' effects us all but to varying degrees. We must now turn our attention to Life rather than mere morality and ethics." EOQ Frank Salt
Ave Kasmillos
You wrote on the 15-Mar-2014 "He, like many others, confuses Mars and the Path of Peh, the ever chattering and often barbed tongue, with Geburah, which is in fact the Palace of Peace. The arrow cannot rend the Path of Mars until the tongue has learnt to be silent."
While I do not wish to rehash an old posting, as I have been avoiding social media for the last few years, this has been on my mind of late. Kasmillos you are correct in what you say re the 'Palace of Peace' and so I apologize for my emotional outburst towards you - as such the hostility i retract. The peace you speak of comes from a peaceful mind which is in harmony with oneself and others. It is not a peace to accuse nor habour resentment nor cast aspersions upon those they have never meet nor hide in secrecy nor darkness. My conscience is clean and as such should you ever wish to seek my forgiveness it will be granted. I have my mystic walk within esoterica towards the the Source of Light(as revealed by Yeshua/Jesus Christ)and it is because of this I rid myself of the various negatively held towards. I can be contacted by text at 027-2217767 if you ever are in Dunedin or Invercargill and decide to meet me face to face. Such a decision is up to you, you have your own journey and inner work to complete. Just as I have my own journey and now with this posting, a little less burden of sin has been released. Thank you Thomas for allowing this to be posted.
In Life Light and Love
Lenny (aka Jean de Cabalis)
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