tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post7635488453934493331..comments2023-03-30T12:21:34.989+02:00Comments on Gyllene Gryningen: The Rosicrucian significance of the Five Petaled RoseSincerus Renatus...http://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-40743105670821797542009-04-20T09:38:00.000+02:002009-04-20T09:38:00.000+02:00Carete Fratres,
Thank you both for your kind word...Carete Fratres,<br /><br />Thank you both for your kind words. I'm happy to have provided you with some new information.<br /><br />Thanks also Peregrin for asking these question and I am happy to answer them to the limits of my ability.<br /><br />Actually, there has always been a Rosicrucian element in the G.D. in the Outer. When we partake of the body of Osiris, in the mystical repast, we also partake in the communion and body of Christ. In the G.D., as MacGregor Mathers and Westcott envisioned it, the symbolism of Osiris and Christ has from the start been synonymous or interchanged.<br /><br />This is an old Rosicrucian tradition to associate Christ with Osiris and vice versa. Remember the Rosicrucian myth of Ormus, who, it is said, was a Serapian priest in Alexandria and was converted to Christianity, and consequently veiled the old Hermetic mysteries with Christian symbolism instead.<br /><br />The name "Order of the Golden Dawn" translates to "Aurea Aurora" in Latin and "Goldene Morgonröte" in German. Actually the name Golden Dawn is sort of "free translation" of the words "Nascent Dawn", as the original Hebrew name of the order “Chevrah Zerach Aur Bequr” translates as "the Society of the Nascent Dawn", which directly relates to a Freemasonic Lodge in Frankfurt-am-Main, founded in 1807, with the same Hebrew name, which in French was translated to "L'Aurore Naissante" and in German to "Zur Aufghene Morgonröthe".<br /><br />Notice the words "Aurore" and "Morgonröthe" which directly links the name with the Fama Fraternitatis and the line: "for it is fitting, that before the rising of the Sun, there should appear and break forth Aurora, or some clearness, or divine light in<br />the sky".<br /><br />So, in my opinion, the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn has always been Rosicrucian from the very beginning, but in a more veiled manner. That's why MacGregor Mathers was able to change the name for his branch to the "Rosicrucian Order of the A.O."<br /><br />What we have done with the 1999 year general reformation (which follows a specific Rosicrucian cycle of reformations)is that we have made this more specific. But mainly this new element consists of our initiates practicing Rosicrucian Magic (using techniques that before was reserved for Adepts of the R.R. et A.C.) and Alchemy already in the Outer Order.<br /><br />It is operative and theoretical, as before it was mainly theoretical. The Rosicrucian Magic and Alchemy is then continued in the Inner Order of the A.O., but in a more detailed and specific manner.<br /><br />Regarding continental western esotericism, we acknowledge the continental roots of the Golden Dawn, which mainly sees the before mentioned Lodge L'Aurore Naissante as a original "Mother Temple", which transmitted German Rosicrucian and Qabalistic currents of the Gold und Rosenkreutz Order and Asiatic Brethren to the Golden Dawn.<br /><br />However, in the highest mysteries (i.e. beyond the lesser Grades of the R.R. et A.C.) our vision of the Golden Dawn has many points in common with contemporary continental Rosicrucian bodies. I sense a feeling that the modern Golden Dawn community (as contrasted to the sentiments of Mathers and Westcott) oftentimes regards the Golden Dawn as a separate tradition as compared to continental Hermeticism and Rosicrucianism. What we have done is to place G.D. on the continental map of the greater Rosicrucian and Hermetic current, which always has been well rooted in European soil.<br /><br />One of the reasons of Mathers moving to Paris and founding the Ahathoor Temple was to create and maintain this link with the continental currents. He was involved in most French societies and some of the initiates of other continental societies was also members of the Ahathoor, the most prominent example being Papus.<br /><br />So this has never been a foreign thought in the old Rosicrucian Order of the A.O.<br /><br />However, let me state right away, that the Rosicrucian Order of the A.O. acknowledges all Golden Dawn Orders and Temples as parts of the body of Christ/Osiris, regardless of them adhering to the reformation of 1999 or not. I'm convinced that your little Order in Australia does a wonderful job in transferring our venerable and old tradition to its initiates, as do all independent Temples all over the world.<br /><br />Fraternally in L.V.X.,<br /><br />S∴R∴Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-54455944142531672152009-04-20T05:53:00.000+02:002009-04-20T05:53:00.000+02:00Care Fr S.R.,
thank you once again for another ve...Care Fr S.R.,<br /><br />thank you once again for another very interesting essay. There were elements there new to me and it was very well put together. <br /><br />As you may know (being a member of a small Australian Order) I have no connection to the larger European or American Orders and have not read much about the 1999 Reformation. I am therefore intrigued that the Rosicrucian Order of Alpha et Omega has a Rosicrucian Outer Order. <br /><br />Am I correct in assuming this change was instituted to bring the whole Order more in line with some of the traditional European Orders that did not have an Hermetic Outer Order and Rosicrucian Inner Order? (an innovation of the GD and its immediate precursors). <br /><br />Obviously you are not in a position to reveal any secrets. But I am curious if at Neophyte in the ROAO one is (re)confirmed as a member of the Body of Christ, which many people see as a hallmark of the Rosicrucian mystical tradition. <br /><br />Please accept these questions in the spirit they are made - genuine curiosity. Thank you.Peregrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508191641503321789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-68834173419983133662009-04-19T20:00:00.000+02:002009-04-19T20:00:00.000+02:00Thanks yet again for a good article. Since I have ...Thanks yet again for a good article. Since I have mostly read Thelemic interpretations (first and foremost Crowley & Stansfield Jones) I really value this addition which is more harmonious with my own mindset.Suecae Soundshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04949168285331693357noreply@blogger.com