tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post734128322755934665..comments2023-03-30T12:21:34.989+02:00Comments on Gyllene Gryningen: Golden Dawn, Paganism and Christianity: Polytheism vs. monotheismSincerus Renatus...http://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-89597041823996139072012-01-22T23:20:45.073+01:002012-01-22T23:20:45.073+01:00@Dana: If you could please write in plain English ...@Dana: If you could please write in plain English instead of garbled code, then perhaps we could have a discussion?<br /><br />S:.R:.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-30104813738899732642012-01-19T22:44:59.634+01:002012-01-19T22:44:59.634+01:00ATEN ATON AMEN ATOM NATO, UPSIDE DOWN STAR= EN SOF...ATEN ATON AMEN ATOM NATO, UPSIDE DOWN STAR= EN SOF = YALDABOATH = DEMIURGE = MYSTERY SCHOOL goD = CHAOS CRAZY gOD of the BIBAAL and korANU. ( spirit in MATTER)<br /><br />Tetragrammaton (or Elements) becomes salved as YHShVH; the Demi-Urgos (or Adam Kadmon) becomes the vehicle of the True and Highest Divinity.<br /><br />YOU are worshipping MOLECH not the DIVINE MOTHER SOPHIA.<br /><br />http://serenitystreetnews.com/satanicrepublic.htmDana Horochowskihttp://7thfire.biznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-70263705825300349332010-07-18T23:56:54.490+02:002010-07-18T23:56:54.490+02:00Frater Peregrin recently made a interesting blogpo...Frater Peregrin recently made a interesting blogpost regarding the same subject as this present essay. You may find it at:<br /><br />http://magicoftheordinary.wordpress.com/2010/07/09/a-pagan-golden-dawn/<br /><br />To summarize, Frater Peregrin holds that the G.D. tradition at the level of the Inner Order is a Christian based Order in that it works with the Christian mysteries. He also says that all occidentals are wrapped in the Christian worldview because of our cultural heritage, even the most ardent neo-pagans. To be an Inner Order initiate you must be ready to embrace the Christian mysteries and actively work with it. He also sais something important which I want to address, so I quote him:<br /><br />"It does not have a central core of universal wisdom overlaid by a veneer of Christian mystical symbolism which can be replaced piecemeal with other symbols that 777 blithely assert ‘correspond’. "<br /><br />He also cautinos us agains the "habit of cut and pasting Pagan symbols, Gods and images over the Christian symbolism of the GD..."<br /><br />Basically I do believe that all religions and spiritual paths (well almost all) do express a fundamental an common spiritual truth.<br /><br />But I agree with Peregrin that a particular tradition takes form according to its chosen spiritual philosophy and mythology applied. Thus I agree with him that the Rosicrucian tradition from being a Christian based tradition cannot be suddenly transformed into a Buddhist, or strictly Osirian, or Thelemic, etc., without losing its very soul. It becomes something else.<br /><br />But I do also believe that Christianity didn't fall out of the sky and one may argue if it is only (or even primarily) based on the Hebrew religion. There are lots of Hellenistic undertones in Christianity which makes me conclude that it was lots more syncretic than one wants to give it credit. <br /><br />In a comment Fra. Peregrin said that James G. Frazer was driven by a hatred towards Christianity in his comparisation between Christian myths and that of paganism. But also E. Wallis Budge made many such comparisons between the myths of Osiris-Isis-Horus and that of God-Christ-Mary. I believe its hard not to see the many similarities between the Christian Mysteries and that of other ancient and contemporary mystery religions.<br /><br />That being said I still believe that there is much to gain in keeping the Christian focus as we have it, in the Golden Dawn as well as in Rosicrucianism (of which the G.D. is part) because of the fact, as Peregrin have pointed out, that we have it in our "occidental genes". It is very hard to "wash out" the christian component in ourselves, if not impossible; we would throw out the babe with the bathwater. Even the neo-pagan movement often finds its identity as being an alternative to Christianity, if not an antithesis.<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe<br />S:.R:.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-86280329219228352022010-07-16T10:34:30.892+02:002010-07-16T10:34:30.892+02:00Care Frater Peregrin,
Thank you for taking the ti...Care Frater Peregrin,<br /><br />Thank you for taking the time to read through my essay and give feedback. Always appreciated.<br /><br />My alchemical teachers asserts to me that the tradition of Internal Alchemy comes from the Hellenistic era to us as a unbroken link of transmission, similar to Eastern traditions. It has been able to do this becaus of its extremely secret nature. They even assert me that it predates the Hellenistic era and blends early Egyptian concepts with that of Chaldean and Sumerian.<br /><br />Regarding Montheism being a post-Old Testament notion, I actually meant post-Torah. I will clarify this in the text. I agree with you that the Psalms shows a more evolved view upon God that the Torah.<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe<br />S:.R:.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-44200481468236256722010-07-16T02:10:48.512+02:002010-07-16T02:10:48.512+02:00Care GH Fr SR,
Thank you for this amazing essay i...Care GH Fr SR,<br /><br />Thank you for this amazing essay in which you ably present the deeper aspects of the GD / RR et AC understanding of religion and esotericism.<br /><br />I concur with nearly all of what you present here, though I would emphasise a few things differently. The important thing, as we have discussed recently, is that there is more uniting GD folk, pagans or Christians, polytheists or monotheists, than what separates us. You show this well.<br /><br />Just some food for thought:<br /><br />You write “It recognizes that the image of the Christ is a later development of the Osirian mysteries, as well as that of other mystery religions involving the formula of the dying god.” <br /><br />Mathers, Westcott and others of their generation were influenced by the work of Sir James Frazer, who was the first to collect and consider pagan mythology alongside Christian to find common themes. Frazer has been revaluated in recent years and critiqued by some scholars who see a lot of massaging of the data to make it fit his assumptions. The theme of the dying and resurrected God-man as presented by Frazer turns out to be less universal and less coherent than he presents. Frazer’s collecting of these stories alongside the Christian is thought to have been motivated by his hatred of Christianity. By showing Christianity and pagan myths as equal he was, in his mind and certainly in his era, discrediting Christianity. <br /><br />You write: “The exception to this is the tradition of Internal Hermetic Alchemy which doesn’t use Christian symbolism, to my knowledge, but original Hermetic-Hellenistic concepts. But you won’t find any of these processes in a book shop or library.”<br /><br />Now of course you are bound by oath, but I hope you can clarify. For the Internal Hermetic Alchemy documents / teachings to use “original Hermetic-Hellenistic concepts” they would need to have been composed in the Hellenistic era. Any modern (in the historical sense, post 1750 or so) person to compose these works, even trying to use “Hermetic-Hellenistic concepts”, they would be strongly influenced by the paradigm of the times, the religion/spirituality of the composer(s) etc. And even reading / hearing the original Hermetic-Hellenistic concepts through our own modern concepts and minds would render them different – unless we were very skilled and very careful and knew a hell of a lot about the Hellenistic culture etc. <br /><br />So…are you saying this tradition’s core texts and teachings date from the Hellenistic era, in an unbroken transmission? Or have they been rediscovered and composed in a later era, using concepts and seeking inspiration from the Hellenistic era? Thanks <br /><br />You write, “thus monotheism (i.e. the belief that there is only one true God which can be named and that all other gods are just superstitions) apparently is a post Old Testament paradigm.” This is not quite accurate, the ‘post’ part anyway. The Old Testament is a collection of diverse religious writings, myths, and histories from a number of periods. Monotheism, the existence of a single God IS within it, as well, as you say polytheism, even if the rest of the Gods besides IHVH are seen as lesser. It has a mix of religious paradigms, which is why it is such easy pray for literalist atheists and others. <br /><br />Thanks again for this great post :)Peregrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508191641503321789noreply@blogger.com