tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post4730222015117988769..comments2023-03-30T12:21:34.989+02:00Comments on Gyllene Gryningen: Rudolf Steiner and the Golden DawnSincerus Renatus...http://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-14353045057610983412014-01-29T17:55:42.813+01:002014-01-29T17:55:42.813+01:00Der findes følgende korrespondancer i Misraim Serv...Der findes følgende korrespondancer i Misraim Service:<br />1. grad det 3. sejl i Johannes apokalypse - Månen - Yesod<br />2. grad det 2. sejl i Johannes Apokalypse - Solen - Tephareth<br />3. grad det 1. sejl i Johannes apokalypse - Saturn - chokmat<br /><br />Det 4. sejl er selve templet og tilhører planeten jorden, dvs Mars og Merkur - Malkurt - Hod og Geburah<br /><br />4. grad er det 5. sejl i Johannes apokalypse - Jupiter - Chesed<br />5. grad er det 6. sejl i Johannes Åbenbaring - Venus - Netzach<br />6. grad er det 7. sejl i Johannes apokalypse - Vulkan - Binah<br />7. grad er Ain <br />8. grad er soph<br />9. grad er Ain Soph Aur<br />10. grad er Kether<br /><br />Frater FN<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14403780482308977787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-30315685949384199532011-05-24T10:44:51.228+02:002011-05-24T10:44:51.228+02:00Nick Farrell just posted this piece of misinformat...Nick Farrell just posted this piece of misinformation on a yahoo-forum: "There is a bit of nonsense circulating about the influence that Steiner had on Felkin and Whare Ra. There are those that are conspiring to paint Whare Ra's third order as being Steiner and what ever legions he supported at the time. There were some exercises that Felkin picked up but these were hardly anything<br />ranked as Third Order. Although Felkin was impressed by Steiner there was little that flowed into the Order from that source. One of the claims is that Steiner gave the development for the second order in Whare Ra. Having seen the rituals that are supposed to have created the 6=5 and 7=4 I can only assume that those who thought they were inspired by Steiners own Rosicrucian Order had not seen them. They are very light weight... almost 'new age'. The only thing that Felkin seemed to have bought into Whare Ra were some exercises call the processes, which were visualisation exercises. That is it. I dont see any proof that by the time Felkin returned to NZ that Felkin was his third order or "secret chiefs". There is a lot that Francis King will have to answer for in the afterlife... astral masters and Steiner within the SM is one of them. Felkin had his faults but I challenge anyone to compare the Steiner ritual with anything GD."<br /><br />Reading Waite's account (where it is clear that he co-operated with Felking in developing the 2nd Order) there are referenced to the 3rd Order vis a vi Steiner's Misraim Dienst. In Felkin's own letters dated 17th March 1914 & November 1915 (quoted in my essay) he also confirms Steiner's group to be the 3rd Order of the Stella Matutina, even after the creation of the Whare Ra.<br /><br />In Waite's account we also see several influences stemming from Meakin's dealings with Steiner's group, such as the supposed equiv. of the 6=5 drawing much from the Rose Croix (18) degree of the Scottish Rite, a fact that even Mr. Zalewski corroborates. <br /><br />We must see this from the perspective that Felkin and Meakin were inspired by their experiences of Steiners Masonic rituals, parts of which were formative in the creation of the later Whare Ra 6=5 and 7=4 rituals. No one has suggested that Steiners IV and V degrees rituals were used as a direct model for the Whare Ra rituals. But it is easy to see a direct inspiration; without Felkin's and Meakin's experiences in Germany the Whare Ra 6=5 and 7=4 would be different. I also believe that Waite could have been influenced by Felkins accounts in his own rendition of the 6=5 (which has some similarities with the Whare Ra version).<br /><br />I also believe that Mr. Farrell is underestimating the influence of Steiner's teachings, especially in Felkins vision of a 3rd Order. I suggest reading under the heading "The Teachings of Rudolf Steiner" and especially the quote from Tony Fuller.<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe,<br />S:.R:.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-70767160912258419992009-10-18T18:17:32.191+02:002009-10-18T18:17:32.191+02:00I just referenced this:
RS: Here I would like to a...I just referenced this:<br />RS: <i>Here I would like to add one thing, because misunderstandings have crept into the naming of the planets. In all occult nomenclature, what the astronomers call Venus is called Mercury, and vice versa. Astronomers know nothing of the mysteries behind this, because in the past it was not desired that the esoteric names should be revealed. This happened in order to conceal certain things.</i><br />http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/19080905p01.html<br />It's up to ones investigations to find if one or the other is right, but nothing should be deemed right just because it's written somewhere.<br /><br />Kind Regards,<br />KimKim Graaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15484342875149076738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-35026070643048625822009-10-18T17:50:33.066+02:002009-10-18T17:50:33.066+02:00Care Kim,
The order of sequence of the Planets (i...Care Kim,<br /><br />The order of sequence of the Planets (including the planet Earth) are based on the traditional geocentric model according to the Alxandrian astronomer Claudius Ptolemaeus, which is based to the apparent speed of the Planets (including Sun and Moon) as seen from Earth.<br /><br />The sequence is thus Earth, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Sun, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, i.e. according to the sequence of the seven lowest Sephiroth. Attributing Malkuth to planet Earth is intuitive as it represents the Elements. The last two Sephiroth are attributed to the Fixed Stars (i.e. Zodiac) and the Primum Mobile, which completes the Ptolemaic model of the Universe. <br /><br />Hence the Golden Dawn model is the one that adheres to he traditional Hermetic structure.<br /><br />And yes, I have heard of the book by Steiner about the Misraim Service. I have however not aquired it yet.<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe<br />S.R.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-79352588270704498722009-10-18T17:01:41.902+02:002009-10-18T17:01:41.902+02:00By the way, do you know this one: "Freemasona...By the way, do you know this one: "Freemasonary" and Ritual Work: The Misraim Service - Texts and Documents from the Cognitive-ritual Section of the Esoteric School 1904-1919 (Collected Works of Rudolf Steiner)<br />First time in English I think. Also known as GA 265.<br /><br />KimKim Graaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15484342875149076738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-26159302829970135332009-10-18T16:31:01.263+02:002009-10-18T16:31:01.263+02:00I have kept a little distance to the Kabbalah plan...I have kept a little distance to the Kabbalah planetary positions as it didn't look right, but your words made me look at it again. <br /><br />I looked into the positions of the planets in Rudolf Steiners, Golden Dawn's and Kircher's version (http://rooh.it/gd_planets). <br />The difference between GD and RS are that GD have Mercury before Venus, and RS have Venus before Mercury. <br /><br />RS have mentioned that it was customary to change the position of these two planets to hide the information from the uninitiated. So RS have the sequence Earth, Venus, Mercury, Sun, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, which I personally think is a more natural sequence.<br /><br />The difference between Kircher and GD are that GD's are shifted one position up, except for the Sun which keeps it's place.<br /><br />There are two things which can change the spiritual hierarchy, Emanation, where the Heavenly Son emanates down as the Eartly Son, the other are when the hierarchies raise one level. <br /><br />The up-shift of the planetary bodies shows a raising in the heavenly hierarchy.<br />That the Moon was in Malkuth shows the position of Sophia, until the the Earthly Son are born.<br /><br />I have a piece called "Changing Hierarchies through Time" http://kimgraaemunch.wordpress.com/2008/10/26/changing-hierarchies-through-history/<br /><br />Kind Regards,<br />KimKim Graaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15484342875149076738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-76893705560561400632009-10-16T22:26:25.859+02:002009-10-16T22:26:25.859+02:00Care Kim,
Thank you for your kind words. You made...Care Kim,<br /><br />Thank you for your kind words. You made some valuable points. The reason why I believe it to be a coincidence is that the association of the Planets to the Sephiroth of the Tree of Life is original to the Golden Dawn (if I am not mistaken). The ptolemaic order of Planets is not however, and both systems (i.e. that of the Golden Dawn Qabalah and Steiner's degrees) have their origin in this ancient order of "speed".<br /><br />Thank's for the links. Your blog seems very interesting.<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe<br />S.R.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-34827725839960434102009-10-16T10:42:17.634+02:002009-10-16T10:42:17.634+02:00It is a quite interesting article about a subject ...It is a quite interesting article about a subject which, for me at least, have been somewhat clouded.<br /><br />You mention that you think that the relation between the planetary symbolism in Steiners that corresponds to the Kabbalah, is a coincidence, but I don't think it is. Steiner know of course Kabbalah quite well, and have also mentioned it positively, but he choose not to take Kabbalah into his philosophy directly as his goal was to make life itself an initiatory path. The spiritual reality in ONE, it's only the Earthly view on it who differ, but the Tree of Life you can find in all religions on Earth, so the symbolism of the planets are found both by Paul connected to the Angelic hierarchies, and in connection with the chakras, as in Steiners work.<br /><br />The relation between Felkin and Steiner could be that Felkin recognized Steiner as an Initiate on a higher level, as an initiate on one level can recognize one on a higher level, and that could explain why he keeps respecting Steiner. There is some similarities to Max Heindel I think.<br /><br />In the start of the previous century there have been more or less known initiates who have brought new ideas and methods into this world preparing the time we are now living in, not all is just inherited, Rosicrucianism is not only symbolism.<br /><br />May the Roses Blossom on your Cross,<br />Kim Graae Munch<br /><br />I have written about The Tree of Life and other systems on my blog: <br />http://kimgraaemunch.wordpress.com/category/esoterics/kabbalah-esoterics/<br />And with some relations between Steiner and the Tree of Life:<br />http://kimgraaemunch.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/the-rosicrucian-cross/Kim Graaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15484342875149076738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-70368375371356902252009-05-24T16:49:14.824+02:002009-05-24T16:49:14.824+02:00Verbvm Est Lvx
Very interesting article. Hoping ...Verbvm Est Lvx<br /><br />Very interesting article. Hoping in a increasing and more interactive way to share.studio464https://www.blogger.com/profile/16630759900838522083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-52006151290468224462009-05-23T20:28:47.458+02:002009-05-23T20:28:47.458+02:00I have amended the text somewhat according to the ...I have amended the text somewhat according to the valuable input made my Bro. Gejel of the Swedish Misraim Society.<br /><br />S.R.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-32911025428229739462009-05-21T15:59:36.587+02:002009-05-21T15:59:36.587+02:00Care Frater Michael,
Thank's for your clarificati...Care Frater Michael,<br /><br />Thank's for your clarifications. I really appreciate your input in this matter as I am but an Neophyte (or not even that) in my understanding of Steiner and his rendition of the Misraïm Rite. So on behalf of my readers and followers I extend my deep gratitude.<br /><br />Thank's for clarifying that hilerious mistake by Watie about the ERO-IAO relation. Somehow I felt there was some kind of connection. You also wrote:<br /><br />"'..3rd grade has trial by 4 elements', he writes. It hasn't. The first degree has." <br /><br />Well this fits well in the Felkin/G.D. rendition of Malkuth as the "First Grade" then. <br /><br />You also wrote: "Steiner's fourth degree is Royal Arch and his fifth is Rose Croix, not the other way around."<br /><br />Good. I have always suspected the V degree being the Rose Croix par exellance, once seeing the beautiful collar belonging to that degree.<br /><br />You further wrote: "I do know that Steiner's nine dregrees corresponds to a. the planets and b. the subterranean spheres. E. g. the first degree corresponds to the Earth (the whole earthly development through Lemuria, Atlantis, old India, old Persia, etc.), the second (with Isis as one of the main characters and the water pillar) to the Moon, the third degree (death and resurrection)to Mercury, the fourth to Venus, etc. Now, from this little hint I am sure you can draw your own conclusions as to the relation between the Misraim degrees and the Golden Dawn degrees, in spite of the difference between the two systems."<br /><br />Yes, its easy to see now. And it also corroborates my suspicions that Steiner was in fact influenced by the Gold und Rosenkreutz in attributing his degrees, i.e. I degree with Juniorus, and II with Theoricus, etc.<br /><br />Bascially I degree and "Earth" is Malkuth, and the II degree Yesod, III degree Hod, etc. So what you are saying is that there is a tentative relationship between the Tree of Life and Steiner's Misraim Service?<br /><br />Why then is his I degree attributed, as in the Gold und Rosenkreutz, to the Fire Pillar and the password being "Aesh" (i.e. that of Fire)? I can of course understand the Alchemical significance of this but I would like to hear your own comments regarding this symbology.<br /><br />Thank's again for your kind words and erudite comments.<br /><br />S.R.<br /><br />Ps. Käre Broder Mikael. Släng gärna iväg ett mail till mig. Det hade varit intressant att fortsätta denna diskussion om Steiner, Misraim Riten och Golden Dawn mellan fyra ögon. Broderligen, Tomas. Ds.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-32550586812477926472009-05-21T14:36:59.040+02:002009-05-21T14:36:59.040+02:00Thank you, S.R., for this careful study of Steiner...Thank you, S.R., for this careful study of Steiner and the Golden Dawn.<br /><br />A few remarks:<br />The first concerns the ERO signs and is perhaps a bit laughable. This is namely a case of confusion of languages. When an english-speaking person hears a german-speaking person pronounce the syllables IAO it will sound like ERO to the english-speaking person. A german pronounces I like english E and the german A is close to the english R. The syllables used by Steiner are certainly IAO. And the hand movements accompanying I and A are exactly those described by Waite. Hence his confused remark: "How first two corresponds to letters not clear."<br /><br />Now, secondly it seems that Waite has muddled Steiner's sequence of degrees a bit (on august 1st 1912). "3rd grade has trial by 4 elements", he writes. It hasn't. The first degree has. The degree in which the candidate is given 3 blows and is placed in a coffin is not the fourth, but the third degree. In other words the Master Mason's degree, as usual.<br /><br />The lines about Steiner's fifth degree were very interesting. I wasn't aware of Waite mentioning this. Thank you, S.R.<br /><br />Finally, as is very clear from the totality of Steiner's exposition of his nine degrees, Steiner's fourth degree is Royal Arch and his fifth is Rose Croix, not the other way around. The misunderstanding probably stems from a mistaken headline on page 234 in "Freemasonry and Ritual Work".<br /><br />As to the relationship between the Misarim degrees and the Golden Dawn degrees I can't see the rationale of Felkin's correspondances, either. But I do know that Steiner's nine dregrees corresponds to a. the planets and b. the subterranean spheres. E. g. the first degree corresponds to the Earth (the whole earthly development through Lemuria, Atlantis, old India, old Persia, etc.), the second (with Isis as one of the main characters and the water pillar) to the Moon, the third degree (death and resurrection)to Mercury, the fourth to Venus, etc. Now, from this little hint I am sure you can draw your own conclusions as to the relation between the Misraim degrees and the Golden Dawn degrees, in spite of the difference between the two systems.<br /><br />Again, thank you very much for a very thoroughly made study of the relationship between Rudolf Steiner and the Golden Dawn. And thank you, Samuel Robinson, for hinting med about this article.<br /><br />Mikael W GejelMikaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14755957405183004602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-82277652993741623532009-05-18T21:13:00.000+02:002009-05-18T21:13:00.000+02:00An excellent post. Thank you for the prodigious an...An excellent post. Thank you for the prodigious and important information you've given the GD community. There's much here to consider and mull over.<br /><br />Yours in LVX,<br />Fr. AENEAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-49076868343059932492009-05-15T11:15:00.000+02:002009-05-15T11:15:00.000+02:00Care/Cara Fra. A.I.T. et Sor. F.S.O.,
Thank you b...Care/Cara Fra. A.I.T. et Sor. F.S.O.,<br /><br />Thank you both for your kind and encouraging words. I warms my heart.<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe<br />S.R.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-63823487574346513872009-05-15T05:30:00.000+02:002009-05-15T05:30:00.000+02:00Frater,
I enjoy how well thought out and researce...Frater,<br /><br />I enjoy how well thought out and researced your blogs are...thank you for all the hard work.Soror FSOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00115294073214207540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-51254266477196276412009-05-14T23:28:00.000+02:002009-05-14T23:28:00.000+02:00Samuel Robinson wrote in another forum:
"You...Samuel Robinson wrote in another forum:<br /><br />"You wrote; blending Memphis & Misraïm, and especially Rudolf Steiner’s take on that Rite, with the Golden Dawn is like blending water with oil; they don’t mix particularly well.<br /><br />"Sam. Don’t forget that the M.M was a forerunner to the G.D in many ways, having used the Hall of Maat in its first degree first as well as the use of the Hegemon, Hiereus and Hierophant Officers. Imho the two are compatible, but I work the system the other way around, with some G.D influenced added into the Memphis Misraim, like Crowley did.<br /><br />"You wrote: But the similarities between the Misraim Service and the Gold and Rosy Cross seems to end with the Grade system,<br /><br />"Sam. I didn’t know the correlations between the Gold Rosy Cross and the Steiner M.M degrees, very interesting, thank you!<br /><br />"You wrote: So it seems that the Great War ended Rudolf Steiner’s active involvement in the M&M.<br /><br />"Sam. Actually one group of Steiner’s M.M continued and works to the present day in some sort of Anthroposophical sect, its very exclusive. I joined instead the Swedish branch. Another thing is that before his death Steiner expressed a wish to resurrect the Rite.<br /><br />"You wrote. Here we also see for the first time the Steinerian (and Felkian) notion of the real existence of Fra. C.R.C. (i.e. Christian Rosenkreutz), and that he may still guide the Order as an ascended master of some sorts.<br /><br />"Sam. This became embedded into the 7=4 ritual, particularly in the Etheric Link.<br /><br />"You wrote: Steiners view the Adeptus Minor Grade is the equivalent of V° but according to Felkin of III°.<br /><br />"Sam. Very nicely put.<br /><br />"Also, I didn’t know that the Portal ritual and S:M rituals were changed to confirm to the M.M sequence, thats quite a revelation, thank you. But you are saying that the idea of the G.D actually having TWO DEGREES in the outer order is not orig Golden Dawn aren’t you?<br /><br />"You wrote: Personally I regard Steiner’s Mystica Aeterna as an independent body of the O.T.O., not only because of the fact that the O.T.O. and the Misraim Service both had the same number of degrees<br /><br />"Sam. This isn’t quite right. The only reason the O.T.O had the same number of degrees is because Reuss decided to copy Steiner’s system. He saw that Steiner had become so successful using a nine degree rite and that his own 99 degree system had failed. So you could say its the other way around – the OTO became more like the Steiner Rite.<br /><br />"The best part of you doc is the conclusion, which is particularly great.<br /><br />"You wrote: Regarding these papers by Steiner Robinson further states:<br /><br />"My name is Samuel Robinson, not Steiner Robison, thanks.<br /><br />"All in all this was a great documentation. As some people know after I left the G.D it was to work the Steiner current separately so I took it out of the Whare Ra rituals. That meant re-applying the Etheric Link to those groups in Europe today working the Steiner M.M Rite. Its has its own merits and should be separated today. Another similarity that Felkin must have seen was in the appearance of the Lucifer and Ahriman figures of Steiners second degree. In the Portal, which became the S.M second degree, appear Typhon and Apophis. So for Felkin it must have meant the third degree of Steiner was the 5=6 perhaps.. depends on how you look at it. Either way the Etheric Link ritual is not really of any value to the RR et AC because it directly implies believing in Astral Masters, which is stated directly in the 7=4 Etheric Link ritual, which I might add Steiner obtained from another person and did not create himself.. A group very based on Astral Masters.<br /><br />"Being the Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor.<br /><br />"Just my feedback. After reading the Steiner aura and ritual papers my conclusion was that the G.D must have originally used the ritual tools more like regular Freemasons do.<br /><br />"Well done on the research. In LVX Samuel Robinson."<br /><br />Care Frater Samuel,<br /><br />Thank you very much for your kind words, and encouragement. I really appreciate it. <br /><br />Thank you also for the information about M&M similarities with the G.D. I knew some of them. I have now, again inspired by you, made amendments and inserted more info about this. <br /><br />Thank's also for pointing out the Steinerian influcence upon the O.T.O. I was starting to suspect that it was Reuss being inspired by Steiner, not the other way around. Tank you for confirming this. I have likewise made amendments in the text.<br /><br />Interesting information about Steiner's Rite being continued. I knew that the Swedish Misraim Society (formerly known as the Merlin Order)uses Steiner's reformed Misraim system. I take it you have joined them?<br /><br />Yes, it was an invention made by the Stella Matutina to correspond the Elemental Grades with the "1st Grade" and the Portal with the "2nd Grade". This reference cannot be found in the original G.D. and A.O. Portal Ceremony.<br /><br />Thank's for poining out for me the similarities between Lucifer & Ahriman and Typhon & Apophis. However, these diagrams was already in use in the original G.D. Ritual.<br /><br />Are you sure about the H.B.of L and the "etheric link" ritual? Steiner obviously likewise used this concept. I thought Felkin received the skeleton for the "Etheric Link" ritual from him.<br /><br />Fraternally in L.V.X.,<br />S.R.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-60094434196076268802009-05-14T23:24:00.000+02:002009-05-14T23:24:00.000+02:00Ave V.H.Frater S.R.,
Incredibly good, well resear...Ave V.H.Frater S.R.,<br /><br />Incredibly good, well researched article-I'm still mulling over all the heavy implications that can be drawn from it. Thank you!<br /><br />Two things immediately stand out for me-<br />The idea that any Golden Dawn order could consider the O.T.O the Third Order is just plain jaw-dropping. Definitely reinforces the idea that an initiate should take his own development in hand, and not waste time worrying about "Secret Chiefs" or invisible Orders or any of that. <br /><br />This also makes me wonder what the true definition of "traditional" within the Golden Dawn may be...especially considering that most Golden Dawn Orders around these days have their roots in the Stella Matutina, one way or the other. <br /><br />Wonderful post, giving us great food for thought!<br /><br />In LVX,<br /><br />Fra. A.I.T.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00688466441427496085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-71283064768699229392009-05-14T23:06:00.000+02:002009-05-14T23:06:00.000+02:00Care Frater Tony,
Thank you for your kind words. ...Care Frater Tony,<br /><br />Thank you for your kind words. To be honest, I hoped you would like it and it makes me glad that you approved of it.<br /><br />Thank's also for correcting me about Felkin's son. I removed that reference entirely. Thank's for helping me improve my essay.<br /><br />Fraternally in L.V.X.,<br />S.R.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-63767985513058083182009-05-14T08:58:00.000+02:002009-05-14T08:58:00.000+02:00A most interesting and excellent piece of research...A most interesting and excellent piece of research. There is an enormous amount to comment on and here I can only make a couple of general points.I largely agree with your conclusions although, as one might expect,there is other source material that is not entirely consistent with these conclusions. One correction: It was Felkin's son and not Felkin himself who joined the OTO -indeed Felkin was embarrassed by it. Another oddity-Felkin's brief diary (which I have) shows he received the 6=5 in 1906. The use of much of the Steiner material within the SM declined after Felkin's death, especially in Britain and eventually in NZ.<br />Fraternal regards<br />Tonytony fullernoreply@blogger.com