tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.comments2023-03-30T12:21:34.989+02:00Gyllene GryningenSincerus Renatus...http://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comBlogger797125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-2522740849812839532018-02-07T07:14:36.866+01:002018-02-07T07:14:36.866+01:00The obligations or oaths of the neophyte doesn'...The obligations or oaths of the neophyte doesn't suggest anything towards the higher degrees/orders...<br /><br />Just because the neophyte level forbids opening yourself to channeling, doesnt mean that this still applies further up... Have you ever done degree work..? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17730986440027663413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-69646484773419949902016-03-10T22:00:30.182+01:002016-03-10T22:00:30.182+01:00Ave Kasmillos
You wrote on the 15-Mar-2014 "...Ave Kasmillos<br /><br />You wrote on the 15-Mar-2014 "He, like many others, confuses Mars and the Path of Peh, the ever chattering and often barbed tongue, with Geburah, which is in fact the Palace of Peace. The arrow cannot rend the Path of Mars until the tongue has learnt to be silent." <br /><br />While I do not wish to rehash an old posting, as I have been avoiding social media for the last few years, this has been on my mind of late. Kasmillos you are correct in what you say re the 'Palace of Peace' and so I apologize for my emotional outburst towards you - as such the hostility i retract. The peace you speak of comes from a peaceful mind which is in harmony with oneself and others. It is not a peace to accuse nor habour resentment nor cast aspersions upon those they have never meet nor hide in secrecy nor darkness. My conscience is clean and as such should you ever wish to seek my forgiveness it will be granted. I have my mystic walk within esoterica towards the the Source of Light(as revealed by Yeshua/Jesus Christ)and it is because of this I rid myself of the various negatively held towards. I can be contacted by text at 027-2217767 if you ever are in Dunedin or Invercargill and decide to meet me face to face. Such a decision is up to you, you have your own journey and inner work to complete. Just as I have my own journey and now with this posting, a little less burden of sin has been released. Thank you Thomas for allowing this to be posted.<br />In Life Light and Love<br />Lenny (aka Jean de Cabalis) <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-45086725199958632362015-04-10T05:04:48.546+02:002015-04-10T05:04:48.546+02:00You are my hero.
Terry thank you for sorting out t...You are my hero.<br />Terry thank you for sorting out the the<br />crap.<br />http://conspiro.net/<br />Very intrested in the Rosicrucian and the Golden Dawn.<br />You continue to inspire and help me. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938191709323747410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-25926399495080705692014-11-05T16:04:57.211+01:002014-11-05T16:04:57.211+01:00Could you tell me what Ogás means in English? I s...Could you tell me what Ogás means in English? I see that Hingula means cinnabar and Kshàra means Alkali but I have been unable to find out what Ogás means. Even my wife who knows Sanskrit doesn't know what it means. Furthermore, any additional information about the meaning of these three words is greatly appreciated...Free Agent 0007https://www.blogger.com/profile/06351974622567775712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-19496822921558431602014-05-17T01:06:47.370+02:002014-05-17T01:06:47.370+02:00Since I've been reading V.H. FR. S.R. decided ...Since I've been reading V.H. FR. S.R. decided to exit the Order he was part to retire himself exclusively in Scandinavia, immediately II have been thinking that he would have been coming on an international dimension. This is not to express undervaluating of the importance of Hypernorea, but exclusively because of the reason why he represents today a main source in initiatory system that must express himself in aaglobal dimension. As Brother of an Italian Oasis, I should recall the role that in the past was ruled by Mazzini in spreading enlightenment in the whole Europe, and in Middle East. I hope to find the way to cooperate with your project.<br />Sincerely,<br />Fr. Verbum vel Althotas<br />Osirus Dominus Liminis in Societas Mazzini,<br />Italian blossom of U.O.M.S.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02926888205795833227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-68962740330931595062014-05-02T23:18:54.545+02:002014-05-02T23:18:54.545+02:00Sounds like an excellent idea. And I hope it works...Sounds like an excellent idea. And I hope it works out for the best. I would be especially interested if Jean-pascal Ruggiu<br />and Robert Word become members. Please keep me informed of any developments.<br /><br />Cheers<br />Lenny<br />Jean de Cabalishttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Jeandecabalisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-28274887434955694432014-03-28T08:12:00.329+01:002014-03-28T08:12:00.329+01:00I came across this by Frank Salt while editing, fo...I came across this by Frank Salt while editing, for placement within Book eCT III. I am posting here, so you can get some idea of the kind of man Frank was.<br />From his writings you will see that Frank was not the kind of man to gave up on anyone.<br /><br />In future any anonymous claims to know Frank (at least as well as I) can tell me, what his hobby was (easy enough) and then with much more difficulty 'where was his secret hiding place!' The correct answer to the second question will get my attention and respect.<br /><br />The answers to both questions I know. <br />- Leonard<br /><br />To Frank ..quoteing ""Piercing through the Veil to illuminate Malkuth. This is in purely technical terms and rather brutal in expression. We need not try to reason the process into (the) happening - it just does. <br /><br />But during the process responses occur in the personality calling for some responses from that area - ourselves. We begin to feel there is something beyond orthodoxy, that there is more to life than just toddling along with the herd from womb to the tomb.<br /><br />There is more to life than just toddling along with the herb<br />from womb to the tomb.<br /><br />The feeling may result in numerous ways, according to our personal conditioning. The actual sense of disquiet may be veiled in many ways from hyperactivity to depression. <br /><br />The nearness of the soul may cause a change of interest in the opposite sex, the soul is 'having a merger' with the personality. Which may be reflected in, in-outer life as the same. <br /><br />The soul appears to include those factors missing in personal life and seeking expression - including sexuality. <br /><br />fuller degree of living is immanent, a balancing out of the personality. Things 'forbidden' in our personal philosophy begin to truce and may result in a guilt complex. A neurosis or just a release from the now-former inhibiting factors. <br /><br />Troublous times may lay ahead, if our conditioning is severe, our living too 'black and white'. If Good and Evil figures much in ruling our lives. <br /><br />The 'Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, good and evil' effects us all but to varying degrees. We must now turn our attention to Life rather than mere morality and ethics." EOQ Frank SaltLenny / Jean de Cabalishttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Jeandecabalisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-49056447579627435402014-03-25T01:20:32.739+01:002014-03-25T01:20:32.739+01:00Thank you Tomas
I thought Pat Z had posted the ab...Thank you Tomas<br /><br />I thought Pat Z had posted the above and so replied to him.<br /><br />For the record, there absolutely no connection between Madeline Montalban's Order of the Morning Star and the Golden Dawn Stella Matutina. <br /><br />Madeline knew people like Aleister Crowley, Gerald Gardner etc and performed a few ceremonies with Kenneth Grant. <br /><br />Madeline was an initiate of the Crowley's A.A and attended the the Abbey of Thelema when she was quite young. Madeline worked with Crowley magically for a time during her 20's and as was reputedly Crowley's inspiration for Moonchild. Michael Howard's book Modern Wicca covers this re Montalban.<br /> <br />As you know Crowley's A.A system contains the three tiers of the Golden Dawn, the R+C and the third Order being the A.A. At a far stretch depending upon your view of Crowley you could say that Madeline has a link to the Golden Dawn via Crowley's AA Order - but that is about as close as it gets.<br /><br />Cheers<br />LenntJean de Cabalishttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Jeandecabalisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-38396928356065622672014-03-24T17:01:07.631+01:002014-03-24T17:01:07.631+01:00Lenny wrote on a different blog:
"The Adeptu...Lenny wrote on a different blog:<br /><br />"The Adeptus Maximus of Madeline Montalban is *nothing* like, nor being equivalent to the Golden Dawn 7=4 grade. Madeline Montalban correspondence course had a 22 degree grade system based upon the Tarot which during the course, various titles/grades were honoured. 0-0 being neophyte, 0-1 the Magician, 0-2 High Priestess. Montalban also refers to most persons doing the correspondence course will get as far as completing the ‘Adeptus Miniums’ grade of the OMS.<br /><br />"Desmond Bourke may of completed the entire 22 degree OMS correspondence course and got awarded the Adeptus Maximus grade, but the grades of the OMS are not grades in the meaning of Golden Dawn initiatory grades and cannot be compared. It is like comparing apples with oranges."<br /><br />Like I said in my essay that if any independent and realible sources would invalidate any of the claims made, I am willing to change my view. <br /><br />I have felt somewhat reluctant to believe in any connection between the Motalban 'Morining Star' and that of Felkin's Stella Matutina. You have convinced me that any such connection is highly unlikely. It probably stems from a misunderstanding of Motalban's system, which you have now cleared up. I will change the information accordingly on gryendemorgonrodnaden.se.<br /><br />Thank's for your assistance.<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe,<br />S:.R:.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-2469760460991031782014-03-20T12:32:45.501+01:002014-03-20T12:32:45.501+01:00Nah.. Ainigma definitely didn't win this discu...Nah.. Ainigma definitely didn't win this discussion. He just kept hammering on the same points over and over while we already explained our ideas and refuted his comments. <br /><br />I was just checking what I wrote back then.. :-)Marionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-42978983262534679302014-03-15T12:48:22.695+01:002014-03-15T12:48:22.695+01:00Well Lenny, I believe it is pointless to continue ...Well Lenny, I believe it is pointless to continue this debate so I choose to use silence instead, other than stating that in keeping our Sacred Mysteries unprofaned, this doesn't mean that we shouldn't work in the greater human community, but only by our own example and behaviour, not by speaking openly and preaching concerning these mysteries. <br /><br />We should use our knowledge to heal the sick, and that Gratis; however only teaching the most worthy of our mysteries. Let us not cast pearls to the swine. There is both an inner and outer silence, and we should express both. Your dichotomy between the outer and inner Silence is IMHO ill advised.<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Lieben,<br />S:.R:.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-8661503890123828972014-03-15T12:18:26.735+01:002014-03-15T12:18:26.735+01:00Dear SR
IMO this is a misunderstanding. The Herme...Dear SR<br /><br />IMO this is a misunderstanding. The Hermetic silence is the silence within. <br /><br />Consider SR that when we enter silence, it is a prayer, a meditation, personal contemplation and communion with God. <br /><br />This is where from time to time we are Still and God speaks to us.<br /><br />Not only is our tounge silence but also you mind. <br /><br />These are periods between oneself and God. But they are not a way of life nor an excuse for living in a cave.<br /><br />Obviously you can tell what side of the fence I personally am on. And that is Light. Light burns, light shine and is expressive. It does not sit in a cave and expect the candidate to chance darkness and assume that one will find it hidden in some deep dark place. No light is a beacon.<br /><br />What use is light if it is hidden.<br />That is the doctrine of devils IMO.<br /><br />Truely I say to you and the entire world, that the silence that many assume is sb-rosa leads only to the outer darkness where there is much woe.<br /><br />Yes contrary to me, you don't believe in the profanation of documents. In terms of the Golden Dawn community, once again i choose the side of light. Which is open for all to see. <br /><br />This SR is the example the Morning Star himself give us and also the example that God himself gives us with his symbol (the Sun) in our realm of existence.<br /><br />If a soul is not ready, then the work will protect itself. Much the same way a dog cannot understand algebra and humanity is not ascended.<br /><br />SR the state of the Golden Dawn Commnity is not protected by working sub-rosa. The Tower is not destroyed by babbling tounges on the Path of Peh, but by the forces of life by the command of God. It is indeed the Tower struck by Lightening (Light/Fire) and Wind (Air) and Hail (Water) - perhaps even the earth itself shakes. These things are much greater than any single voice or many voices adding to confusion.<br /><br />That is where sub-rosa is, inwardly and beyond the chatting babel listening to the voice of God. True work sub-rosa is alchemcial within the adept. But the adept themselves works in community. Just as my Lord, the Morning Star himself did by his example in scripture. <br /><br />Re the Watcher of the Dawn blog<br />i have made my opinion of these persons secret identify publically known on their own site. So I agree with you about your comments re the Troll and the cowardly hiding behind sight. <br /><br />>In Licht, Leben und Lieben,<br /><br />Yes by the above, let us follow their nature.<br /><br />with fraternal love<br />LennyLennynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-24853453302814626342014-03-15T11:34:47.146+01:002014-03-15T11:34:47.146+01:00Eloquently expressed Jean, but I still tend to agr...Eloquently expressed Jean, but I still tend to agree with Kasmillos here. His is the TRADITIONAL interpretation of silence. We don't talk about them and we especially don't brag about them. The worthy candidate will find to the Temple anyway; that has always been the case.<br /><br />I have always felt a ambivalence in my blogging since 2008. I felt that my voice was needed to correct some misconceptions, especially concerning the post-modern history of the Order to which I belonged and regarding the state of the Golden Dawn Commnity. <br /><br />Contrary to you, I don't believe in the profanation of documents. I fully respect those who want to work sub rosa; I also respect those who want to hide their true identity behind pseudonymes. Not at all uncommon trait in traditional occult literature. Even Dion Fortune used one, to take a modern example.<br /><br />And again, if you find anonymity to be a sign of cowardice, why to you insist on asking serious question to "Watcher of the Dawn" when you will only get unconfirmed rumours posing as facts, and lies mixed with truth (which is like mixing Nitro with Glycerine)? In my book "Watcher" hides behind anonymity as he fears being sued in court for his libels. He is a Troll, nothing more or nothing less.<br /><br />Still I do pray for his soul that he will leave the path of Wrath and embrace the path of Compassion instead.<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Lieben,<br />S:.R:.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-8830108610621220212014-03-15T11:12:25.839+01:002014-03-15T11:12:25.839+01:00Re Silence
There are various types of Silence, bu...Re Silence<br /><br />There are various types of Silence, but I will speak of two. <br /><br />There is a silence that is mistaken for the mystical silence. It is a silence of darkness, working quietly and sub-rosa. It is a silence of cowardice and ultimately leads to death.<br /><br />Then there is the mystic silence, it is contemplative, still and can hear God. This type of silence leads to light and life.<br /><br />Those of us whom have entered the Mystic silence, which is through meditation and not working in secret hear and experience from our inner stillness that God is NOT silence. God and life, like life is full of laughter, joy, play<br />and is a great musical dance of light being expressive of the Godhead.<br /><br />The sub-rosa of the way is the inner alchemical work. It has nothing to do with working in secret. For the secret thing is actually within you.<br /><br />It is ghosts and deceptive spirits and false ego, false philosophy and false teaching that speaks from the dark. This is not the way of God nor light nor life.<br /><br />I cannot stress enough, that Light does not hide under a barrel. The most simple choice to make is your path one of secrets and darkness or one of Light.Jeanhttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Jeandecabalisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-48471822670563022422014-03-15T00:45:41.864+01:002014-03-15T00:45:41.864+01:00Dear S.R.,
I think you can see that my intentions...Dear S.R.,<br /><br />I think you can see that my intentions are honourable, and that I am no sock puppet of some GD personality. Only a few people know me for who I truly am – people I have met and whom I respect. I intend on keeping it this way, despite some people finding this irritating or even threatening. I regret many things, but I do not regret being sub rosa, and Lenny’s rather extreme threats bear witness to the wisdom of this strategy. <br /><br />He, like many others, confuses Mars and the Path of Peh, the ever chattering and often barbed tongue, with Geburah, which is in fact the Palace of Peace. The arrow cannot rend the Path of Mars until the tongue has learnt to be silent. <br /><br />I have said all that needs be said in this matter, and people will take it or leave it as they see fit.<br /><br />I sincerely wish you well on your journey – I think you are heading in the right direction.<br /><br />Farewell.<br /><br />Kasmillos. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-43272644706528993982014-03-14T23:51:59.046+01:002014-03-14T23:51:59.046+01:00Dear Lenny,
I undestand where you are coming from...Dear Lenny,<br /><br />I undestand where you are coming from with the Severety balanced against Mercy or Compassion thing.<br /><br />However, that depends on the level of Adeptship. In my own experience, being an Adeptus Major, one easily leans towards the Black Pillar and Geburah, as one has to experience the Dark (Severe or Evil) Side of Godhead.<br /><br />As a Adeptus Exemptus, the reverse is tru; one has to experience in full Mercy and Compassion, to turn Wrath into Love. Regardless of level of Adepthood, Ego should never be the reason for becoming Severe and Wrathful; that is the first lesson and temptation of the Adeptus Minor. If you haven't let go of your Ego, you will never become a true Adeptus Major or worthy to wield that Magical Sword.<br /><br />This is of course only my personal opinion, based on my own experience of failing the tests ;-) <br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Lieben,<br />S:.R:.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-20127682020549603312014-03-14T23:36:01.721+01:002014-03-14T23:36:01.721+01:00Dear S:.R:.
Touche'. Yes good point.
Still ...Dear S:.R:.<br /><br />Touche'. Yes good point.<br /><br />Still if needing to make a choice between are a sock-poppet's testimony and a real person I will tend to side wit the<br />real person.<br /><br />Thank you for reminding me however of your valid point. :-)<br /><br />You wrote:<br /><br />Dear Lenny,<br /><br />Sorry to say, but now you are being naïve. Only because someone is identified as a person it doesn't mean that they can be trusted. Pat is a good example on this, who has changed his presentation over the years. Only when he was caught by Tony F. did he start to corroborate his story, as he has done in the video. Nick isn't to be trusted as well, as has been shown in his books about S.L. MacGregor Mathers. Both these ex O.T.R. members have clear political agendas. <br /><br />You know my position from earlier blogs; no need for me to repeat it. But your last comment prompted med to remind you.<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe,<br />S:.R:.Lennyhttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Jeandecabalisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-20917137272100726712014-03-14T23:31:24.361+01:002014-03-14T23:31:24.361+01:00Hi SR
I will try to be more civil in future on yo...Hi SR<br /><br />I will try to be more civil in future on your blog. There is a time however for rudeness and violence just as there is a time for courstey and compassion. Life is not so cut and dry as <br />always been nice. Though admittedly I do try my best to exercise good manners most of time. However unlike Saints if someone slaps me in the face, I reserve the right to turn around and slap them back twice as hard.<br /><br />So not it is not beneath me. 99% of the time I may be compassionate but the other 1% is quite capable of murderous intend. Adepthood is knowing when<br />to draw the sword. Adepthood is not refusing to pick up the sword. <br /><br />Re: Sock Poppets watchers of the Dawn. I understand what you are saying about that Website. I made that comment because nothing in its so called history mentioned<br />Tereschenko. <br /><br />If Dr Robert Word was not initiated by Tereschenko, then the fault is mine. Robert and I discussed various initiations and other things many years ago and <br />I must have misunderstood what Robert told me. I seem to recollect Tereschenko being mentioned. <br /><br />I understand your dislike of the Watchers of the Dawn website.<br />Strangely enough I see they are parroting Nick F view that the Whare Ra was not Golden Dawn. This of course is in contradiction to all Pat Z publications which are entitled 'Golden Dawn' etc.. so who is right Pat or Nick ? <br /> <br />>Word, Tereschenko and Ruggiu >were all initiatied in the same >ceremony by Bourke and Leontas >at Serapis Temple, London, in >1993.<br /><br />Okay. Of course I trust you more than so-called 'Watcher' sock-poppets. You have always been open and honest to me. And I can see your face :-)<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe,<br />LennyLennyhttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Jeandecabalisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-40331731245210641612014-03-14T23:25:59.243+01:002014-03-14T23:25:59.243+01:00Dear Lenny,
Sorry to say, but now you are being n...Dear Lenny,<br /><br />Sorry to say, but now you are being naïve. Only because someone is identified as a person it doesn't mean that they can be trusted. Pat is a good example on this, who has changed his presentation over the years. Only when he was caught by Tony F. did he start to corroborate his story, as he has done in the video. Nick isn't to be trusted as well, as has been shown in his books about S.L. MacGregor Mathers. Both these ex O.T.R. members have clear political agendas. <br /><br />You know my position from earlier blogs; no need for me to repeat it. But your last comment prompted med to remind you.<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe,<br />S:.R:.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-2591632389217752632014-03-14T23:13:11.329+01:002014-03-14T23:13:11.329+01:00@ S.R
The sock-poppet Kasmillos above is now usi...@ S.R <br /><br />The sock-poppet Kasmillos above is now using older postings made by Tony Fuller over the years about the history of the OTR and also the Whare Ra to try and validiate himself as someone of authority. <br /><br />Even the writing style itself is similar to Tony F's, perhaps in an attempt at pretense to be Tony Fuller without actually stating it. Tony Fuller may be unreliable and disorganised from time to time. But Tony is no coward and would not ever hide behind a sock-poppet. <br /><br />Trying information of Tony's and Pat's about Whare Ra and OTO history and repeating it on this forum is not a validiation of any sort. I felt it was important to say things as it is apparent to me the deception this person is trying to pull. <br /><br />I repeat unless a person clearly identifies themselves as a known <br />person in terms of Whare Ra and its history as: Pat Z, Tony F, Nick F and I have done over the years. Then whatever is posted by anonymous persons, however how clever and how seemingly knowledgable - they are not to be trusted. <br /><br /><br />Lennyhttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Jeandecabalisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-5940842434428187852014-03-14T23:06:20.918+01:002014-03-14T23:06:20.918+01:00Lenny,
Please. You know that I respect you and yo...Lenny,<br /><br />Please. You know that I respect you and your work. But, on my blog, please hold your temper and keep your manners. You have the right to refute any claims concering your person that you find unjust, but this doesn't justify being rude in this way. It is beneath you. Simply give your counter arguments in a civil manner.<br /><br />If you hate sock puppets so much, why do you make comments and pose serious questions on the "Watcher of the Dawn" blog? Watcher is the father of lies, and the real danger is that he mixes lies with truths.<br /><br />Where did you get the false notion that "...Dr Robert Word was initiated by Marquis Nicholas Tereschenko" from? Wathers reply was even more ludicrous:<br /><br />"Word gave the AO 7-4 to Griffin and Ruggiu over his kitchen table according to an eye witness who left the order."<br /><br />Word, Tereschenko and Ruggiu were all initiatied in the same ceremony by Bourke and Leontas at Serapis Temple, London, in 1993.<br /><br />This is in part corroborated by a letter to Pat Zalewski from Word, dated June 24, 1994 (a scanned copy is on Scribd): <br /><br />"...in 1993 G. H. Frater B [Leontas] ceremonially conferred the Grade of 7=4 on me, with the intent of transmitting simultaneously the authorities of the four lineages cited above. The same lineages were transmitted at the same time to the Chiefs [Tereschenko & Ruggiu] of at third Temple [Ahathôor] located in another country [France]."<br /><br />David was initiated by Ruggiu four years later. I still remember him returning back to Stockholm with a full suitcase filled with Slater AO documents in the summer of 1997.<br /><br />Perhaps you should trust me more as a source than your ill adviced sources and sock-puppets as "Watcher".<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe,<br />S:.R:.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-85075091210746007202014-03-14T22:53:27.041+01:002014-03-14T22:53:27.041+01:00Hi Sincerus Renatus
Thank you for quoting Pat Z
...Hi Sincerus Renatus<br /><br />Thank you for quoting Pat Z<br /><br />"The assumption is that Whare Ra had one system, one thought, they all acted within certain boundaries, and that the way it was. Well that was far from the truth. Everybody had their own ideas. There was core principles of course, which was the rituals and some general views on things, but also they had their own viewpoints and did their own study. Whare Ra encouraged the visional people to go at, and go on different branches of things."<br /><br />"So to try to put it as a single way of... Whare Ra having this one way of doing it, it shows complete ignorance on what going on, and shows considerable amount of lack of research..." <br />eoq Pat Z<br /><br />Yes perhaps we have interpreted that a bit differently :-) <br /><br />And yes your rephrase my main thesis: "The Whare Ra didn't have one unified view on Golden Dawn ritual". is very good.<br /><br />Re: so-called Kasmillos etc.<br />The other issue, you being moderator of your forum. Do not just acccept claims by anonymous trolls such as so-called Kasmillos to have been working in silence for 30 years but must come out and say things. That is very navive of you. <br /><br />My advise unless you know such a person is actually a real person, then they are most likely not and the agenda is political. Truth does not hide behind masks and anonymous postings. <br /><br />The Occult community in New Zealand is quite small and even smaller are those whom knew adepts of the Whare Ra. Neither I, nor Pat Zalewski, nor Tony Fuller, nor Nick Farrell hide behind secret dark places pretending to be voices of authority. We are all out in the open with our opinions on things and our own version of history as we each experienced it. You have seen on the net our faces, and publications. Some people have met us privately for discussion and magical work. We are real people. It doesn't matter whether we disagree, or even strongly disagree at times about things. The point is that open and honest dialogue is not done by those hidden away in dark places. <br /><br />That is Light, open not hidden.<br />LennyLennyhttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Jeandecabalisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-91400384786925999152014-03-14T22:32:35.616+01:002014-03-14T22:32:35.616+01:00@Kasmillos.
Anonymous troll, I know you are lying...@Kasmillos.<br /><br />Anonymous troll, I know you are lying and this how I know.<br /><br />The second person I meet was indeed an adept of the Whare Ra.<br />I know this because he was an old <br />man who lived at the Mt Roskill village and whom Frank introduced<br />as a person he had worked with at Whare Ra.<br /><br />The only other students I briefly<br />meet were those attending the initiation ceremonies at our residence which I myself did not attend. <br /><br />I doubt very much that you knew<br />Frank Salt very well for about 8 years. Because if you did you would know that would never speak about other students. That was not his way. So you are lying behind your sock-poppet trying to <br />make up a believable story to discredit me. <br /><br />However your fabrication is based upon hearsay by others and neither the truth nor fact. <br /><br />My relationship with Frank existed for a period of many years. Both as a personal weekend student and also as a friend whom remained in contact by letter when I lived on Waiheke Island.<br /><br />Frank would have never asked anyone for advise about me, because there was no advise to be given. The only things that Frank expressed discontent regarding was my involvement in Wicca - whom he regarded as leaaning towards the Dark Mother and Aleister Crowley. There was one article I wrote called 'Isis Unveiled' whom he said to me that he didn't understand a word of it, it may as well having been in Chineese or something. Interestenly I sent a copy of the same article to Pat Zalewski and he liked it.<br /><br />Frank never gave up on me nor cut me loose. That this more bullshit. Frank offered to me many times the Golden Dawn initiations. Then in the other breath he would stated that they were a waste of time because of my having read them (Regardie' publication) and thus what he saw as the virgin spiritual essence would not there, hence the initiations would not be worthwhile.<br /><br />Frank never cut me loose, I moved to Waiheke Island. Whereas before I lived close by (walking distance) to him. <br /><br />I did offer for Frank to live in Waiheke with us, as I had a spare room and a working group. But Frank declined.<br /><br />Frank and I remained friends by mail for many years afterwards <br />and if I recall his last letter to me correctly, he expressed that we haven't seen each other for some time and that he would very much like to see me again. <br /><br />Yes did give me some materials and these were not just for prospective student but also a few other things. Tony F gave me very few additional papers of Frank's. Most of the material Tony gave me was other Golden Dawn materials. Some of these I returned as he expressed he did not want these in the public domain.<br /><br />Frank Salt was a man of the uttermost integrity and kindness. Whom if you knew him as half as well as you state, you would know that Frank would have never said the things that you claim.<br /><br />My advise Kasmillos to you personally, is this: instead of being a cowardly sock-poppet cunt you should man up. Your so-called working in silence for 30 years is just an excuse to attack others from the dark. And a way to try and validate your non-existent persona.<br /><br />Who ever you really are: Get rid of your jealously between Frank's and mine relationship and stop spreading shit. Because quite likely in all honesty (given your anonymous crap over the years) if I meet you in person I would very much like to smash your lying face in. <br /><br />Lenny<br />Lennyhttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Jeandecabalisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-83421964038257124202014-03-14T22:25:11.046+01:002014-03-14T22:25:11.046+01:00Dear S.R.,
I cannot comment on the O.T.R. with an...Dear S.R.,<br /><br />I cannot comment on the O.T.R. with any authority, as I am not, nor have I been a member, although I do know one of their senior members, and another junior member. If there was ever any "Whare Ra" teachings being used in the O.T.R. after Whare Ra closed in 1978, I am told they have long since been forgotten. It is quite a different Order by all accounts.<br /><br />"Warden" was the term used at Whare Ra to describe one of the Temple Chiefs i.e. Demonstrator, Imperator and Cancellarius, as different from the G.H. Chiefs of the Order. The Wardens were disestablished by the G.H. Chiefs, who then took over the mantles of the Demonstrator, Imperator and Cancellarius i.e. they became one and the same. The use of Wardens had been in place from the very early days of Whare Ra, so this was a significant change.<br /><br />I think that things started to change for the worse before 1970, sometime after the end of the Felkin era following the death of Ms Felkin. The "new" G.H. Chiefs started making changes to how the Order operated, and this did not go down well with the more traditional members. Archie Shaw, who was appointed as a G.H. Chief on the death of Mrs Felkin, in fact resigned a few years later due to holding a different view to the other two "new" G.H. Chiefs. Archie Shaw had been Demonstrator for many years before being appointed as a G.H. Chief, and was held in very high regard by Frank Salt and other senior members. His departure was a quite a blow.<br /><br />I really have had to bite my tongue on many occasions so that I could maintain my silence – much to the dissatisfaction of my ego. There has been a lot of inflation, fabrication, and in some instances out right deception, by people trying to bolster their links to Whare Ra. Given the strict secrecy maintained by virtually every member of the Order, I can only imagine they will be turning in their graves with the “modern” state of affairs and take on the O. – “Ye shall know them by their fruits”.<br /><br />I am sometimes conflicted with the desire to counter falsities that I hear and read regarding Whare Ra, just as you seem to be, when you speak up and defend yourself. Then wisdom mostly settles in and I realise that in the great scheme of things the false things people say and write are of little real consequence – those who are meant to find the light will do so, and they will not be fooled or distracted, so I just settle in and focus on my Work, which is to help those around me who have ears to listen.<br /><br />Ritual, Meditation and Silence are the keys, and Intuition is the door.<br /><br />Kasmillos <br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-79279099114612865872014-03-14T20:19:03.044+01:002014-03-14T20:19:03.044+01:00Dear Kasmillos,
Thank you for braking your silenc...Dear Kasmillos,<br /><br />Thank you for braking your silence for my sake and pointing out the pre and post 1970 Whare Ra, and the tight leash that Frank Salt held the Outer Order members.<br /><br />I have always had a great respect for Frank Salt, as the true representative of the Whare Ra lineage and esoteric teachings. It seems as the Whare Ra degenerated post 1970's with the introduction of Wardens.<br /><br />To me it also seems as the teachings that was represented in the O.T.R. reflects post 1970 Where Ra more than anything els, or am I mistaken?<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Lieben,<br />S:.R:.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.com