tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post7097686590569734733..comments2023-03-30T12:21:34.989+02:00Comments on Gyllene Gryningen: The peculiar use of Enochian Kings: Angelic Magic or Enochian Magic?Sincerus Renatus...http://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-78221050980246360252011-07-31T12:40:40.087+02:002011-07-31T12:40:40.087+02:00Care Frater X,
Thank you for your kind words. Of ...Care Frater X,<br /><br />Thank you for your kind words. Of course I will give you credit for your ring. But will all due respect, I haven't quoted anyone in my text. The first source to make me aware of this difference in Dee's and Mathers' metodology in the use of Enochian Kings was Tyson, the book that I have recommended in the last paragraph of my essay. I haven't even read the Coph Nia Wand.<br /><br />It was a while ago that I wrote the piece so I have forgotten where on the net I extracted the pictures, but it must have been on google picture. But I will of course list your name as the source for the photograph of that beautifully made ring. Thank you for still letting me use it despite of my breach of scholarly protocol. Please accept my applogies.<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe,<br />S:.R:.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-46946781779045872112011-07-31T02:37:35.009+02:002011-07-31T02:37:35.009+02:00Greetings & Peace
A lovely summary. I note th...Greetings & Peace<br /><br />A lovely summary. I note that you quote me in regard to the operations of the Kings and use a picture of Dee's ring from the Coph Nia Wand. In order to promote amity and an environment of proper scholarly protocols I would kindly request that you give citation for your sources, at least in a general way with a works cited entry at the end of your essay. <br />Fraternally David R. Jones Master Coph Nia Oasis O.T.O.Frater Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14532596426805558654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-29508399908776412552010-07-11T21:47:39.802+02:002010-07-11T21:47:39.802+02:00Care Fra. Olen,
Why "caution" against t...Care Fra. Olen,<br /><br />Why "caution" against the use of the "simple" Elemental Tablet layout?<br /><br />I agree that the "pyramid" version has a particular value for the R.R. et A.C. Adept (even though I still find the "simple" Tablet as much useful as the "pyramid" version) as it reflects the layout for Rosicrucian Chess.<br /><br />But I would definitely not recommend the use of truncated pyramids for Outer Order members who use Enochian Tablets in their work. Pyramid workings and the use of "pyramid" Tablets is properly reserved for Inner Order.<br /><br />Thank's for your ever valuable input.<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe<br />S:.R:.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-51670859629498861962010-07-10T16:29:13.164+02:002010-07-10T16:29:13.164+02:00Carette,
I would caution one to utilize other tab...Carette,<br /><br />I would caution one to utilize other tablets than those printed in Liber Chanock, particularly if following the RR et AC system.<br /><br />Although several sets of tablets appeared in the RR et AC material, the truncated pyramid version in Chanock presents some issues as far as actually using the Tablets along with the synchronized use of the Chess Boards, which is the intention...<br /><br />In L.V.X.,<br />OlenFr. A.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09100316012648450310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-20707795543471589432010-07-02T01:39:31.243+02:002010-07-02T01:39:31.243+02:00Care VH Fra SR,
Duquette's method as laid out...Care VH Fra SR,<br /><br />Duquette's method as laid out in his book is simple and clear to understand in comparison to everything else I've ever read on Enochian. <br /><br />I have an extra physical copy, in case you would like to peruse it. Shoot me an email with your address (if you're comfortable with that), and I'll send it your way. <br /><br />In LVX,<br /><br />AITAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00688466441427496085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-3573448597747612792010-07-01T19:46:51.122+02:002010-07-01T19:46:51.122+02:00Care Fra. L.e.N.e.,
Thank's for the recommend...Care Fra. L.e.N.e.,<br /><br />Thank's for the recommendations. "Enochian Sex Magic", now that's a name which sticks to the mind.<br /><br />So, what's is this simple method you both are mentioning all about? Simple compared to what? The Golden Dawn Enochian Magic or John Dee's Angelic Magic?<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe<br />S:.R:.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-35589090052701964382010-07-01T17:29:46.917+02:002010-07-01T17:29:46.917+02:00Care VH Frater,
thanks for this interesting post....Care VH Frater,<br /><br />thanks for this interesting post. It inspires me to take up my enochian studies again.<br />I recommend "Enochian Vision Magick" and "Enochian Sex Magick" (which is simply an elaborate comment on Crowleys Liber Chanokh) from DuQuette. His approach seems very simple, but nonetheless effective.<br /><br />In L.V.X.,<br />L.e.N.e.Rene Nagalhttp://goldenedaemmerung.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-78276659443254534502010-07-01T11:04:38.198+02:002010-07-01T11:04:38.198+02:00Care Fra. A.I.T.,
Thank you for your kind words. ...Care Fra. A.I.T.,<br /><br />Thank you for your kind words. I agree with you that Dee's system is difficult, if not impossible, to implement simply by reading the various Sloane MSS. The Golden Dawn approach is workable and connects the system to the overall Rosicrucian Magical system.<br /><br />Paul Foster Case, as we all know, was highly critical of the use of Enhocian in the context of Rosicrucian Magic. But he either forgot or disregarded the fact that John Dee was part of the current we today refer to as "Rosicrucian", and that many regarded him and still regard him as a key player in the formation of the R+C fraternity. He travelled with Edward Kelly in central Europe (Germany, Poland and Bohemia) at the time of its formation.<br /><br />Thus Enochiana interconnects spledidly with the Rosicrucian system of Magic. MacGregor Mathers and Westcott understood this, and finally merged them together in a wonderful way.<br /><br />Unfortunately I haven't read any of Lon Milo Duquette's work yet, so I cannot base any opinion. Perhaps I will read it someday. Any books you could recommend by him?<br /><br />I have watched some of his pictures of his Enochian Tablets. While they are very impressive they seem to follow Crowley's recommendation of using "pyramids" for all squares on the Tablets.<br /><br />I have always felt this being reduntant. It creates to big of a plottered mess on the Tablet. To my knowledge, the original R.R. et A.C. papers never recommended this. The pyramids are supposed to be used for invocations of individual squares and primarily used for skrying.<br /><br />In my opinion, it is better to use the "plain" coloured Tablets (such as the coloured version of the Earth Tablet attached to this essay), when you use the Tablet for invocation placed in its proper quarter. Then create the individual pyramid (with God-Form and Kerub) when you intend to invoke a individal square.<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe<br />S:.R:.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-71333737064707934202010-06-30T18:47:43.342+02:002010-06-30T18:47:43.342+02:00Care VH Frater S.R.,
Excellent post, thank you. I...Care VH Frater S.R.,<br /><br />Excellent post, thank you. It's interesting...most of the people I've spoken to who complain about the Golden Dawn system of Enochian Magics don't actually practice ANY Angelic/Enochian Magic. They say the GD system takes too many liberties, without understanding that those very liberties are what make the beautiful mess Dee left a workable system. There are a number of ways to approach the material, of course; the GD approach (especially after GH Frater LES' Book of the Concourse of Forces syncretized the Qabalistic/Enochian correspondences) is whole and sane and works. What's wrong with that?<br /><br />I personally find Lon Milo Duquette's approach to Enochian Magic to be wonderfully simple and workable. I notice you didn't mention it--what is your opinion of Fra Duquette's method?<br /><br />In LVX,<br /><br />AITAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00688466441427496085noreply@blogger.com