tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post7074214551387399289..comments2023-03-30T12:21:34.989+02:00Comments on Gyllene Gryningen: The Tree of Knowledge vs. the Tree of Life: Or a followup to the question of why we should be Adepts first and scholars secondSincerus Renatus...http://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-18567629098089902042011-08-30T09:02:06.436+02:002011-08-30T09:02:06.436+02:00Great post.
The major breakthrough happens only w...Great post.<br /><br />The major breakthrough happens only when true transpersonal (spiritual) states of consciousness are attained. <br />Only then does aspirant realize that no amount of personal (physical, astral or even mental) effort will ever do.<br />No need to learn, try and skry, ask and receive, build or create. All of this is just material activity, based on material cognitive processes.<br />The true Realization contains NO process, no effort; It already exists, eternal.<br /><br />The process itself implies duality, object and subject, beginning and and end. No such thing in transpersonal states of awareness.<br /><br />So, basically, I agree with you. <br />(Scholarly) intellect will get us somewhere (not far, though), but then we will have to walk. :)<br /><br />In LVXEdy S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14757834504951689498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-48937394151224445672011-08-29T15:58:51.242+02:002011-08-29T15:58:51.242+02:00On a further note: Ponder also why the names of th...On a further note: Ponder also why the names of the Rosicrucian Grades have these peculiar forms.<br /><br />Why does a theoricus (theorician) preceede that of practicus (practician), which leads into a philosophus (philosopher). Only then may you proceed to enter into Adepthood, if succeeding in being a philosopher, someone who has succeded in applying his theoretical knowledge into practice and gained the art of leading a life in understanding and finally wisdom. With philosopher we must view this term not in the modern sense (which places reason upon the pedestal)but in the classical sense; philosophia - the love of wisdom.<br /><br />Upon the Tree of Life knowledge (2=9) preceeds both understanding (3=8) and wisdom (4=7). The last triad upon the Tree of Life in a way reflects the first triad with the apex downwards, i.e. Daath, Binah and Chokmah.<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe,<br />S:.R:.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-33331412813194506382011-08-29T15:42:15.959+02:002011-08-29T15:42:15.959+02:00Care Frater Peregrin,
Lectio Divina has nothing t...Care Frater Peregrin,<br /><br />Lectio Divina has nothing to do with intellectual or scholarly (that is dispassionate) study. It is more aligned, as I see it, with devotion and prayer, with passion and love. Both prayer and meditation surely have energetic results on all levels of your being, also physical and energetic.<br /><br />I don't agree with you that energetic work is a modern concept. Perhaps me referring to it in this plain way is modern, but not the techniques themselves that produces and influx of divine energy into the body and suble body. Many eastern systems emphasize this kind of work. Theurgy and alchemy does it too. <br /><br />Granted, most alchemists worked within a Christian framework. But does that mean that they had the same faith as you do Frater? We don't know that. I'm not talking about lip service. They surely were devouted to the word of God. But they were esoteric Christians, not bound to exoteric theological doctrines.<br /><br />Reading the words of mystics as Meister Eckehart bring alchemy to mind, where Christ is begotten in the heart of man, etc. This is a Christian way of saying you are developing a Solar consciousness. <br /><br />I don't believe that only by accepting Christ you receive immortality. Disregarding the dubious theological consequences of barring the rest of the human population from "immortality", such as Jews, Muslims, Buddhist, Daoist and Pagans, etc., a simple faith doesn't suffice. You have to work hard for your conscious immortality, Christian or not.<br /><br />When I speak of "immortality" I speak of conscious immortality, not that we die to never return from that blackness. I believe that we all have a immortal spirit, "god-spark". That is our Higher Self. Our Divine Genius, that angelical being which overshadow us. What I do belive dissapates in the same manner as the physical body (first death) is our soul (second death). When reaching immortality, from the alchemical standpoint, you transmute your mortal and saturnian soul into a golden or solar soul which retains its focus and doesn't succumb to the second death. This is my current and limited understanding of these matters.<br /><br />Regarding my dichotomy between scholarism and faith (and devotion), sure it is nice to have a solid intellectual understanding of history, etc. But that won't make you an Adept. It will make you a batchelor, master or doctor of the "arts", not and Adept of the Art. This is my central thesis with what I say in the blog. You cannot only pass a theoretical exam and count yourself as progressing through the sub-grades of the 5=6 (not even 120 years ago). You had to produce magic, even manifestations of a miraculous character, in front of the eyes of the examinator. Sam Robinson explains this very eloquently in his latest book. I agree with his approach more or less 100%.<br /><br />The other stuff, intellectual knowledge and reason, is good to use, to guard yourself into falling into social and interactive traps, relations, etc. Again, I'm not saying to shut you mind off because you want to become an Adept. But intellectual learning wont make you push that envelope to transcend ordinary consciousness and state of being which is the mark of a true Adept. <br /><br />Intellectual knowledge and reason will help you do discern what teachiques to use, and analyse their effect as to their efficiency. But to become an adept you need other qualities. But on the other hand, without intellect and reason you won't even be able to start off the path of Return in the first place. As I said, theory creates the foundation for further and Real Work.<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe,<br />S:.R:.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-221118164388625302011-08-29T14:11:29.575+02:002011-08-29T14:11:29.575+02:00Care GH Fr SR,
Thank you for this post.
I am at...Care GH Fr SR, <br /><br />Thank you for this post.<br /><br />I am at a loss to think of anyone in the GD community who would not agree with most of the sentiments you express here. Of course we are striving to be adepts rather than scholars (unless we are enrolled in the Academy where we may do both). No one I can think of presents intellectual qualities as a measuring stick for adepthood. No one I know thinks the intellect alone can take us towards the summit of the Holy. As the sacred Tao says:<br /><br />“Give up learning, and put an end to your troubles”<br /><br />I must question however, the a priori assumption that immortality is the goal of all adepts in all western traditions. Once more I state that a sizeable percentage of historical adepts were orthodox Christians who believed immortality was already given to them by their acceptance of Christ. Yet they still strived for mastery and unfoldment - as a means to serve others.<br /><br />I must also question any possible dichotomy between the intellectual scholarly approach and that of ‘faith’, to use your word. The two methods of discernment are appropriate for different spheres of reality. Connection with the divine, relationship with our Masters, embarking on the quest when any destination is unknown – this is the sphere of faith.<br /><br />Discerning history, biography and present day tales which are claimed to occur in shared space-time – this is the role of good occult scholarship. This is scholarship where the foundational sphere is occultism but where the plain, rational approach is applied to sensible (i.e. able to be perceived by the mundane senses) topics. An excellent example of this approach can be found in the works of Gareth Knight. <br /><br />I must also question your emphasis on purely energetic work. While agreeing with all you say, we must remember these concepts are entirely modern. There were many realised adepts in the past whose practise was focused elsewhere and which then produced the states you refer to. An example of this of course is Lectio Divina, which from the outer looks like little more than reading and studying. We must also remember the realised Jewish sages who unfolded and touched the divine glory through literary means similar to Lectio Divina including Midrash. These approaches, I believe are just as effective as the ‘energetic work’ you refer to, but look from the outside suspiciously like scholarly learning. Modern religious writer Karen Armstrong relates how her study of the great religious works is her practice, and how it moves her close to God, takes her to the transpersonal mystery which every adept seeks.<br /><br />Thanks :)Peregrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508191641503321789noreply@blogger.com