tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post6527831664928105254..comments2023-03-30T12:21:34.989+02:00Comments on Gyllene Gryningen: Cross symbolism in the Golden DawnSincerus Renatus...http://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-33964442893444125932009-10-30T17:00:05.224+01:002009-10-30T17:00:05.224+01:00Steiner: very interesting reference! Thank you, SR...Steiner: very interesting reference! Thank you, SR.<br /><br />I think Zoroastrianism has to be implicit, based on the cycles of personal transformation found in many of the GD and Hermetic works I have read. <br /><br />I see this cycle of movement towards religious maturity being a definite benefit of using schema of this nature in beginning a process of self-awakening.<br />Interesting. What a symbol means to one person may be different to another, religiously and else wise, but the way I understand it, it is about accessing our consciousness at a stage where we begin to recognize our relationship to outer-existence and how we understand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-91954611222706986462009-10-29T20:15:44.643+01:002009-10-29T20:15:44.643+01:00Frater YShY,
I don't know what to say. You ma...Frater YShY,<br /><br />I don't know what to say. You make me blush :-)<br /><br />In L.V.X.,<br />S.R.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-78865534404311454082009-10-29T03:12:02.273+01:002009-10-29T03:12:02.273+01:00Christ!
I think I am going to cut and paste this ...Christ!<br /><br />I think I am going to cut and paste this article and hand it out at out Second Order meetings, it is so good.<br /><br />YFrater YShYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11328779411859819281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-86746957649620765452009-10-29T01:40:57.828+01:002009-10-29T01:40:57.828+01:00Thank you for your kind words Kate!
Regarding Zor...Thank you for your kind words Kate!<br /><br />Regarding Zoroastrianism its tenets was expressed through the Gnostic current, also in the Christian Gnosticism of Valentinos. So I supposed you will find it being present in that aspect of the Golden Dawn, but implicitly I suppose.<br /><br />I believe there are some traces of Zoroastriamism in the teachings of Rudolf Steiner.<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe<br />S.R.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-44726228528125415152009-10-29T01:18:58.937+01:002009-10-29T01:18:58.937+01:00This was an incredible essay! I need to look throu...This was an incredible essay! I need to look through your other posts! I am curious though, I wonder how come Zoroastrianism is never brought up during these discussions on religious symbolism and the GD?<br />Did I miss something here?<br />Thank you for sharing with everyone!<br />-KateAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-32870334674852140112009-10-28T09:48:59.732+01:002009-10-28T09:48:59.732+01:00Thank you very much for your kind words Fratres Pe...Thank you very much for your kind words Fratres Peregrin, A.I.T. and Dean.<br /><br />Peregrin, regarding "esoteric christianity". I understand your sentiments and also respect the kind of esoteric christianity that you represent (some of which I agree upon). And as such I value your contribution into this field very much.<br /><br />But the very topic of belief in Christ is indeed a very touchy subject. It's a delicate matter to place oneself on a official position which won't step on to many toes while at the same time embrace the Christian mythos on a practical Theurgical level.<br /><br />There are always people who will say I overvalue the importance of Christ in relation to the Golden Dawn, or the opposite that I limit my view to much.<br /><br />In these times we are living in today there are people calling themselves "Golden Dawners" or even "Rosicrucians" who believe we can discard with all references to the Christos. On the other hand there is a small group of Rosicrucians and members of the Golden Dawn which embrace a more orthodox faith in Trinitary Christianity (which probably was a lot more prevalent in the old G.D., S.M. and A.O. Orders).<br /><br />To make the Golden Dawn more acceptable in our modern times I believe the best way to go is in making some kind of compromise to make the concept of Esoteric Christianity a broader concept with a greater allowance for personal interpretation of the concept of Christ. But at the same time we have to have a minimal requirement of Christian Esoteric viewpoints to be able to have a common ground in our work.<br /><br />In the Golden Dawn there has never been any requirement in the belief of a historical Jesus or in Trinitarian Christianity, and this position should remain. On the other side however I cannot accept a Golden Dawn tradition which doesn't incorporate Esoteric Christianity at all, which I strongly believe was an integral part of the original G.D., at least at an Inner Order level (R.R. et A.C.). <br /><br />It is my strong conviction that a "Golden Dawn" without any allowance for a Christian Esoteric interpretation of the Bible isn't any Golden Dawn worth mentioning, at least not in the R.R. et A.C. "Rosicrucianism" without any concept of Esoteric Christianity definitely isn't any real Rosicrucianism. And I hold that the Golden Dawn is part of the Rosicrucian tradition, even in the Outer. <br /><br />So casting out the baby with the bathwather (i.e. the allowance of a esoteric interpretation of Christian symbology) would render the symbology of the R.R. et A.C. meaningless, pointless, worthless.<br /><br />I believe however that the view as expressed in my essay covers a concept of Christian Esotericism which may be embraced by many western occultists, perhaps even most. Even pagans and Thelemites.<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe<br />S.R.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-86753494931955740592009-10-27T14:23:15.917+01:002009-10-27T14:23:15.917+01:00Care S.R.,
Excellent post, and I agree wholeheart...Care S.R.,<br /><br />Excellent post, and I agree wholeheartedly. I believe the GD system as a whole is so well designed that it foreshadows what comes in the RR et AC, and, while the symbolism is veiled and implicit, it is still there to be found, as you have outlined in your post.<br /><br />LVX,<br />Dean.Frater Yechidahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08630272924336872824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-34126573308379581582009-10-27T05:50:58.600+01:002009-10-27T05:50:58.600+01:00Ave VH Fra SR,
Your level of scholarship is stagg...Ave VH Fra SR,<br /><br />Your level of scholarship is staggering-I'm continually amazed at the depth of your posts. Great post! Thank you-AITAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00688466441427496085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-44392881525053705642009-10-27T03:25:57.820+01:002009-10-27T03:25:57.820+01:00Care Fr S.R.,
Thank you for this wonderful essay!...Care Fr S.R.,<br /><br />Thank you for this wonderful essay! It certainly was a treat to read. I think you have done a great job in consolidating the lore on the symbolism of the Cross in the GD tradition and highlighting some often downplayed aspects. <br /><br />I would just like to make one comment. You write, “Adepts in the Golden Dawn nurture a wholly esoteric view upon the mythos of Christ”. This is true. You then proceed to give a very good summation of the esoteric Christianity you refer to. However, there are other forms of esoteric Christianity and some Golden Dawn adepts subscribe to them. An obvious point is the view of the Incarnation which is seen as literally occurring by some esoteric Christians, even to the point of the orthodox view of Christ as the Second Person of the Trinity.<br /><br />I have a little concern that the view you outline, which is pretty standard in the GD tradition is too focused on interior spirituality and promotes a denial or downplaying of Christ’s transcendence. Christ is more than a ‘force’ and is not only within us, waiting to be born be also far, far beyond us. I think if we forget that we can interiorize Christ too much and He, like all gods can become simply an interior archetypal principle. I know that is the way many adepts see Christ and the Gods. All I am saying is there are other ways and these are held by GD adepts also.<br /><br />Thanks :)Peregrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508191641503321789noreply@blogger.com