tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post3745238404819406111..comments2023-03-30T12:21:34.989+02:00Comments on Gyllene Gryningen: The Golden Dawn and self-initiationSincerus Renatus...http://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-32548830449069763102010-04-03T01:26:12.862+02:002010-04-03T01:26:12.862+02:00You can write to me on sverige@golden-dawn.eu
In ...You can write to me on sverige@golden-dawn.eu<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe<br />S:.R:.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-46191385078853437502010-04-03T00:55:56.512+02:002010-04-03T00:55:56.512+02:00Is there a way to contact you via email?
TGATTIs there a way to contact you via email?<br />TGATTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-77843779975287155532010-03-22T15:49:23.979+01:002010-03-22T15:49:23.979+01:00I am in BarbadosI am in BarbadosAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-83097120312908631302010-03-19T17:35:01.100+01:002010-03-19T17:35:01.100+01:00Care TGATT,
Thank you for your kind words! May I ...Care TGATT,<br /><br />Thank you for your kind words! May I ask which island this may be, or in which part of the world you are living?<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe<br />S:.R:.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-73381151891830410732010-03-19T16:06:05.319+01:002010-03-19T16:06:05.319+01:00I must say that of all of the writings of The Gold...I must say that of all of the writings of The Golden Dawn available through google search, and after many months of searching and reading on the true Golden Dawn, yours is the opinion I respect the most. So much so I have joined the order you represent. Unfortunately there is no Temple on the island where I live, of this I am sure, so it may be some time before I am initiated. Please keep writing (in english :-))as I find it very educational.<br />TGATTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-6629576701468558102010-03-02T17:21:13.964+01:002010-03-02T17:21:13.964+01:00Care VH Fra SR,
This is an excellent essay-it sho...Care VH Fra SR,<br /><br />This is an excellent essay-it should be of use to the many Western Magicians who find themselves unable to enter the Order proper. I think it is especially important that you note the Self Initiate isn't initiating himself into the Golden Dawn per se, but into the Sphere and understanding of each force.To the Sephirothic equivalent of the Outer Grades. Your observation about the Outer Grades requiring self-initiation through work is spot on...you can't just attend a ceremony at Temple and declare yourself done. Thank you for sharing this. <br /><br />In LVX,<br /><br />AITAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00688466441427496085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-80971274102751371952010-03-02T11:02:31.897+01:002010-03-02T11:02:31.897+01:00Care Fra S.R.,
Thanks for this essay. Since I am ...Care Fra S.R.,<br /><br />Thanks for this essay. Since I am solitary working with the GD system, I take it personally - and I mean this in a positive way.<br /><br />In fact I agree with most of what you say. I see myself as a part of, as a member of the greater Golden Dawn Tradition and – if I have a high, maybe as a member of an Order, better the idea of an order – reflecting that tradition. However, I am well aware of the fact that whatever I do, I am not, nor will I be, an initiate in any concrete GD order. The difference you make is accurate and I appreciate that you still see and point out the value self initiation can have. I have not dared to call myself any grades yet. Also that is secondary right now. Although I have been working with the system for a while now, so far I have not performed any “real” initiation ceremony related to the GD grades (I have done so with another system though). I do not want to hush through things and I want to have a sufficient understanding of what I am doing before. Words and symbols do not mean anything if they are just taken as the word and “picture” they show on surface. Maybe I am also lacking a bit of courage – guidance for sure is another aspect…<br /><br />However, you give quite some valuable guidance with your suggestions. This is adding some structure and I will surely incorporate that into the layout of the planning. <br /><br />As I mentioned before in my posts, I truly see the advantage of a real temple initiation which makes things easier – not in the lazy way easy but in the way of being guided through the process, not being confused with things which one should not (yet) be bothered with etc. In fact, I would like a GD boarding school ;)<br /><br />So again, thanks for this very helpful post,<br /><br />In L.V.X.<br /><br />ArcadSolitary Dawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07563919720083699683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-71461242116689277272010-03-02T01:58:38.266+01:002010-03-02T01:58:38.266+01:00Care V.H. Fra. Peregrin,
Thank you for your kind ...Care V.H. Fra. Peregrin,<br /><br />Thank you for your kind words.<br /><br />I fully concur with your chriticism of the Elemental Bias. There is lots more to the "Elemental Grades" than mere Elements. There are Planetary, Spehirotic and Zodical Forces involved, filtered through the Enochian Watch Towers amongst else.<br /><br />That's why I recommend people to invoke not only the Elements associated with the Sephirah, but also the Zodical Triplicity and Planetary attributions, connected to it.<br /><br />I agree that there is yet to be seen a SI ritual which takes all this to account in one single stroke. That's why I suggest to use different components, such as invocation of forces in regular Theurgic work, path-working and meditation of diagrams. Hopefully all this together will emulate someting resembling the initiation in Temple. But only vaguely or barely.<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe<br />S:.R:.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4306753589954666513.post-26492857339728861732010-03-02T01:46:02.550+01:002010-03-02T01:46:02.550+01:00Care Fr S.R.,
thank you for this very clear and l...Care Fr S.R.,<br /><br />thank you for this very clear and lucid essay arguing for the traditional point of view.<br /><br />There is not much for me to add other than there seems to be an elemental bias towards the so called 'elemental grades' (renamed personality grades in our Order).<br /><br />The suggestion that repeating the Watchtower or any elemental ritual or work alone will bring the magician the blessings of these grades lacks awareness of the subtle nature of these grades. In addition to the elemental forces there are Sephriotic, Path, Planetary, Enochian and many other blessings involved. This includes certain formulae created in the sphere of sensation, related to the various myths and temple movements of then initiate. <br /><br />These initiations are extraordinarily complex and multi-layered and I have yet to see any 'self initiation' version of them, including that of the Ciceros, which acknowledges this fact and tries to reproduce all the subtle blessings via solo magical work.<br /><br />I would recommend anyone who can be temple initiated, to be temple initiated. Unless the temple in question is corrupt. I have seen the modern tendency to have all our 'personal' needs met, such as needing to LIKE temple leaders, stop people being initiated. This is not traditional as evidenced by the Masonic traditions and the original Golden Dawn.<br /><br />Thanks again for this essay :)Peregrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508191641503321789noreply@blogger.com